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Humble? Hardly. This excerpt seems exactly opposite of some other material from the same website, namely:

a) The name is a misnomer: The 50-seat jet is no more a "regional" aircraft than is a 737 or an MD-80. It will be used in many of the same missions, it is not a "short haul" aircraft. Nor is it in anyway a "commuter" airplane. This airplane is now used in markets averaging over 500 miles. In the coming 18 months, markets as long as 1,200 miles will be common. Markets such as Moline/Quad Cities to Atlanta. And Billings - DFW, or Grand Junction - St.Louis. It will happen, and it will result in an airline system stronger than that of today. The study reviews the genesis of the small jet, and details how it got the name "regional jet" - something that it is not.

b) New Mission Applications: These aircraft will cause the most fundamental change to the US airline system since the first arrival of the jet airliner 40 years ago. Small jets will be used in a range of new missions: extending hub reach. Hub capacity relief. Competitive cherry-picking. Trans-border route development. Capacity-to-revenue adjustment.

c) Transformation of "Regional" Carriers Into "mini-majors." These small jets will essentially alter the role now filled by what we call "regional" airlines. They will become much more closely identified with the missions now typically operated by their major carrier partners. These airlines will no longer be tied to small community air service. Small jets will change how mega-carriers plan, strategize, and operate.

d) Route Growth Will Be Driven By Small Jets. In the next five years, most of the net-new route expansion in the US will be as a result of the new applications made possible by these aircraft. American will be able to raid markets previously dominated by United's Denver hub. United will be able dig deep into American's feed system around D/FW. From CVG, Delta will be able to raid some of US Airways' traditional traffic bastions in the northeast. Small jets will cause the rebirth of significant, hard-hitting competition between major airlines. The study provides specific examples.

e) Major Airlines Can Operate Regional Jets Profitably. The study runs the numbers, and this shatters the ambient thinking that only a regional airline can make money with small jets. These are airplanes that will generate strong new revenues, and to be profitable, they do not need to be operated "on the cheap" with low paid employees.

**The assumption that major carriers cannot cost effectively operate regional jets is simply trendy Wall Street lore. ** (emphasis and separation added)

The difference in total operating costs of small jets between majors and regional airline partners is less than 8%. When viewed in light of the new missions these aircraft will be operated in, major carriers - yes, those "high-cost" unionized carriers such as US Airways, United, and American - can operate these aircraft profitably with their own pilots, mechanics and flight attendants. Examples of typical small jet markets are used to detail how major carrier costs are not prohibitive for these airliners.

and my favorite...

f) Future Fleet Trends: The revenue-generating capacity of these aircraft may result in major carriers taking them away from regional partners and into their own operations.

Everything listed here seems to fit the current trend. The excerpt you posted is really out on a limb and diametrically opposed to the above points. Sounds like this Boyd Group is speaking out of both sides of their collective mouth. So what's the call, Mr. Boyd, new king of the skies or desert dust bags?
 
The Delta scope clause restricts not only the number of seats an oursourced aircraft can have but also the gross weight. I believe in addition to the 70 seat limit there is also a weight limit of around 76K lbs or somewhere in there. So no A-318's, B-777's or stretch A-380-900's for any Delta Connection carrier, regardless of seat config.
 
I think it is time for Delta pilots to get into some of those RJ's. It looks like the furlough may be a long one.
 
rjcap said:
Now wouldn't that open up a bag of worms.

Yea, you are right. I probably shouldn't have brought that up. But the RJ orders are in the 100's and we have over 1000 pilots on furlough. I think the new deliveries will be looked at as a way to get the RJ at mainline. This would give our own pilots jobs insted of hiring "outsiders" at the DCI carriers.:)
 
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NYRANGERS said:
This would give our own pilots jobs insted of hiring "outsiders" at the DCI carriers.:)

Are there any "insiders" at DCI? You certainly haven't made us feel that way.
 
FL000 said:
Are there any "insiders" at DCI? You certainly haven't made us feel that way.

I was at a US Airways Express company before I spent a whole 6 months at Delta. I was not aware of the big rift between Delta and DCI. We had the same thing at USexpress, its all BS.
 
NY-

This would give our own pilots jobs insted of hiring "outsiders" at the DCI carriers

Your just pouring gas on the fire with this one.

Why in the holy H--- would Leo bring your guys back at your pay rates to fly RJ's instead of hiring DCI people at $19.10/hr.

In addition:

1. Who is going to train Delta pilots to fly the RJ's ??
 
Continued from previous -- d--n computer !

If there are bad relations between mainline and DCI now wait until mainline pilots start flying RJ's.

I'm not trying to be difficult here but there is no upside for Leo to move RJ flying to mainline. If it would happen then operational integration is complete and the entire one list issue will be right at Leo's door.

Lets put this one to bed. Its total flame bait.
 
rjcap said:
Continued from previous -- d--n computer !

If there are bad relations between mainline and DCI now wait until mainline pilots start flying RJ's.

I'm not trying to be difficult here but there is no upside for Leo to move RJ flying to mainline. If it would happen then operational integration is complete and the entire one list issue will be right at Leo's door.

Lets put this one to bed. Its total flame bait.

Yea, almost as crazy as ASA flying A318's.

I was talking about the 70 seaters. We get all of them. It seems the comair MEC's stance on not hiring furloughed Delta pilots, is raising the eyebrows of our MEC.

I am sure we could work something out with Leo. Seems the comair guys don't want to work with us.
 
NY,

I was talking about the 70 seaters. We get all of them.

Too late. We got him and I'm flying one of them !

I am sure we could work something out with Leo. Seems the comair guys don't want to work with us.

Why the h-ll should they. What have you guys ever done to build any type of good will or lines of communication with DCI. If anything you have consistently distanced yourself from your regional subsidiaries.

Look, I don't know where you are getting your info but in some ways the rift between mainline and DCI has worsened. I don't see any movement in building a coalition of the pilots as a whole. All I see is pilots looking for someone or thing to blame.

??????
 
I was mainly bringing attention to the latest comair MEC rejection of giving furloughed Delta pilots preff. hiring to the bottom of their list, with out resigning their senority number.

I guess comair pilots don't want us to give them preff. hiring when that time comes around. Or any kind of hiring for that matter.

This will be very interesting. Lets see how this pans out, our MEC is looking at how to respond.

1015 pilots and counting, we will not forget!
 
I was mainly bringing attention to the latest comair MEC rejection of giving furloughed Delta pilots preff. hiring to the bottom of their list, with out resigning their senority number.

NY,

Sorry, my misunderstanding. I thought you were going in a different direction on this.

At ASA we have hired quite a few furloughs from all airlines. I have had the pleasure of seeing some old friends who are back and have come "full circle," in their careers. Some for better some for worse.

Regarding Comair's stance on this issue I have no information.

cheers.
 
RJCAP,

I think you guys a really "stand up". Thanks for allowing us the oportunity to fly with you guys.

This is a pretty crazy situation, with comair.

Anyway thanks for the support. I know we will also remember those who helped us.

take care and happy holidays.

NYR
 

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