ASA.....almost paperless!

[jetracer5]

Starting tomorrow no more hand written W&B! Its all ACARS baby.......So does anybody know how to use it??? lol

Kudos to Brad Holt for speeding up the ACARS implementation! Cant wait to see our D-0 numbers next week!

 

[sweptback]

Four digit flight numbers too. That's going to be weird.

 

[willNOTfly4free]

Is AE doing the same thing?

Three years ago when I worked for them, Eagle was in the developmental stages of this new automated W&B format.

 

[Max Q]

Max Q + (Acars Flight Planning) = Monkey + (Proverbial Coconut)

 

[flyn96]

Starting tomorrow no more hand written W&B! Its all ACARS baby.......So does anybody know how to use it??? lol

Kudos to Brad Holt for speeding up the ACARS implementation! Cant wait to see our D-0 numbers next week!

Yea good luck with that. When Mesaba switched away from paper to load control it was a f-ing nightmare. 45 min wait for numbers! So when you've got an 7 leg day, well do the math. They dropped the entire last day of a 4 day, and we still made overtime on that trip. I'd grab a snicker bar if I was you!

 

[sweptback]

Yea good luck with that. When Mesaba switched away from paper to load control it was a f-ing nightmare. 45 min wait for numbers! So when you've got an 7 leg day, well do the math. They dropped the entire last day of a 4 day, and we still made overtime on that trip. I'd grab a snicker bar if I was you!

It's all real time via Aerodata. If it's anything like the TLR system now you get a response in about 5 seconds.

 

[amcnd]

ASA is piggy backing SkyWest's system!! It works great!! Best thing that happend to us.. Have fun with it boys (and girls)

 

[sweptback]

ASA is piggy backing SkyWest's system!! It works great!! Best thing that happend to us.. Have fun with it boys (and girls)

Kind of like how you piggy backed onto a few of our airplanes?

 

[BOYCAPTAIN]

ASA.....almost paperless!

the bathrooms??????????

ACARS?...welcome to the 80s!

 

[Bako Cap]

Aerodata is pretty good. Just be patient on the 200, it takes a couple of minutes to fill in all the blanks. On the 700, it is almost instantaneous.

 

[DoinTime]

We have been using ACARS and remote weight and balance data in the CRJ for about 8 years at PCL. Its nice not to have to do it yourself but the reliability of the system is in the hands of the gate agent that enters the passenger count and the rampers that put in the bag counts. Until those are in you can't get your data.

The ones to suffer with the automated system are your jumpseaters in close call situations. Its tough to argue with a machine when you are trying to get one more on. Inevitably, when you need to make up some time to connect on your commute home you'll have to wait 30 minutes for your ramper to get off of break and enter the numbers too.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

It's all real time via Aerodata. If it's anything like the TLR system now you get a response in about 5 seconds.

It is the same. The only annoying thing is the "Selcal" aural on the 200 after you send the data...

 

[ASA_Aviator]

We have been using ACARS and remote weight and balance data in the CRJ for about 8 years at PCL. Its nice not to have to do it yourself but the reliability of the system is in the hands of the gate agent that enters the passenger count and the rampers that put in the bag counts. Until those are in you can't get your data.

The ones to suffer with the automated system are your jumpseaters in close call situations. Its tough to argue with a machine when you are trying to get one more on. Inevitably, when you need to make up some time to connect on your commute home you'll have to wait 30 minutes for your ramper to get off of break and enter the numbers too.

We still have some flexibility. The fuel number is not auto-populated from the FMS, so if you "know" that you'll burn down a few pounds of fuel with the APU before you push back...you could enter a different fuel number than what is showing on the fuel gauge.

 

[coorsFlight]

dammit i still cant find the acars on my ATR. it must be near the FMS

 

[centralpilot]

dammit i still cant find the acars on my ATR. it must be near the FMS

Yeah, it'll be December before ASA is actually "paperless"

 

[amcnd]

Aerodata is pretty good. Just be patient on the 200, it takes a couple of minutes to fill in all the blanks. On the 700, it is almost instantaneous.

The 700/900 has digital com's.. Thats why they are faster..

 

[WalterSobchak]

Eh, disregard...I don't need to open that can of worms.

 

[79%N1]

We have been using ACARS and remote weight and balance data in the CRJ for about 8 years at PCL. Its nice not to have to do it yourself but the reliability of the system is in the hands of the gate agent that enters the passenger count and the rampers that put in the bag counts. Until those are in you can't get your data.

That is not the system ASA is using. You still get the pax and bags counts from the agents handed to the flight deck, the crew inputs the numbers into the ACARS, and sends to AeroData.

 

[wms]

After you get the paperwork from the ramp it's a 20 second process. Even on the -200.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Any word on how things are going with the SkyWest-ization of ASA today?

 

[XPOO]

After SkyWest worked out "most" of the quirks with this ACARS W/B, things should be pretty smooth over there. You will have your instances where you will have to pull out the old pad and pencil, but rare.

 

[No.W.]

What's really great is in 6 months when you get an airplane with deferred ACARS and have to remember how to do a paper manifest...especially with a newer person in the right seat...who wasn't around for a long time before ACARS. Talk about a flail.

 

[WalterSobchak]

After SkyWest worked out "most" of the quirks with this ACARS W/B, things should be pretty smooth over there. You will have your instances where you will have to pull out the old pad and pencil, but rare.

I <3 the words "Flight Data Mismatch".

 

[Medeco]

What's really great is in 6 months when you get an airplane with deferred ACARS and have to remember how to do a paper manifest...especially with a newer person in the right seat...who wasn't around for a long time before ACARS. Talk about a flail.

After 5 years in the right seat it wont be a problem on my flightdeck. But I can see were it might in others.

Medeco

 

[buxflyr]

Trust me when I say that after 6 months of ACARS, you will wonder how you ever lived without it.

Fuel is the easiest number to manipulate in order to get someone on the jumpseat.

Beware of some outlaying airports (OAJ) where sometimes the "No Comm" message appears...

 

[wms]

Temporarily the TLR will be the back-up, but within 6 months there will probably something else. Probably a call to DX, which should keep the number ACARS deferrals down.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Fuel is the easiest number to manipulate in order to get someone on the jumpseat.

Bad idea. You'll guarantee yourself an overweight landing if you're landing weight limited.

 

[outtahere]

Bad idea. You'll guarantee yourself an overweight landing if you're landing weight limited.

And your point is? As long as I am legal on paper, and the faa can't touch me, I don't care.

 

[CaptainKiwi]

And your point is? As long as I am legal on paper, and the faa can't touch me, I don't care.

Try taking a look at the news lately. The FAA isn't playing with sling shots anymore.

They can touch you! Your career could be cut short.

However, I sure would love a ride at your expense.

Thanks in advance

 

[B.T.Justice]

How can you lie about your fuel onboard when the ACARS system automatically sends the FOB when the out time is transmitted?