Asa 600tt/100me?????

[Dude]

Blueridge,

Please refrain from talking out of your hiney. The 700 is very senior in SLC and half Sr/Jr in ATL. The lines do suck but if you are on the top half of the list the type of flying is worth the longer trips. (Trying to put a positive spin on the lines) An ATL CPT in the vicinity of 400 or so in sen bid FO SLC to be there.
The previous poster was correct about growth in SLC; the only way to get there as a newhire is through rapid growth in SLC. I fly the 700 for ASA and feel marginally qualified to comment.

 

[AZ Typed]

$0.02

TT is important - don't get me wrong. But above all it's the maturity level and attitude that matter. You can teach a monkey to fly an airplane - but you can't instill "common sense" and the instincts that come with maturity and good attitude. I might be blowing smoke - but don't the military guys/gals get in their first jet with a few hundred hours and are soon later flying jets solo? It's experience that will give you the confidence to say "no" of course...but it's the maturity to think "F This!" that will give you the confidence to believe in your decisions and execute them with confidence and efficiency...and of course safety. As someone said: Thier are Yeagers & Morons in both seats, in all aircraft, with all sorts of hours. Sorry to hijack the thread...

AZT

 

[Medeco]

Final award last week shows a January hire going to CR7 FO SLC

I would not call that super senior.

Medeco

 

[jehtplane]

Why is this such a big deal, there were people in my class over 7 years ago that only had 700 hours total time and they are still here today, yes the RJ is alot of airplane or someone with little experience to handle but if you study and prepare, and our training department is excellent you really should not have any problem.

 

[g159av8tor]

When I graduated college age 22 with 1400/300, I could do a Vmc demo w/ my eyes shut and I thought I knew alot.

A few months later when I was a G-I FO over the Atlantic from EWR enroute to BDA (which had unforecast 30kt gust 50kt). We lost the left engine due to fuel contamination past our PNR, I learned I didn't know as much as I thought.
When I had 2500TT I flew as a LJ FO and we took out of SJO with the tail stand on. And I learned something more: I learned not to let the CA do a walk-around at 3am. Thank God it fell off over the Yucatan somewhere.

When I had 3500 TT and was a new J-41 CA and had to shut down the right engine due to low oil pressure, I learned something more. Engines still hate me.

Now 28, with nearly 6000TT, I learned what's most important of all: I'll never know more than you, fly what makes you happy, bid smart and never sacrifice time home with the family.

Tailwinds...

 

[scarlet]

I am not sure why anyone would be on the 70 seater here. I am trying to get back to the 50 seater,but this great company will not allow that. The lines and sch. for the 70 suck. Even if you are in the top 40---tell me what are you flying oh I know 4 DAYS....LIT, LIT,OMA
or MCI,MCI,STL....WOW and you are flying with the top 40 guys in the company, that tells you how to fly.-- not much fun happening on the 70seater.

 

[79%N1]

Amen! I would LOVE to get off the 70, but noooooo way! I would be holding 3 on 4 off on the 50, but am BARELY off reserve on the 70. The worst part is if you are in the bottom half of the 70 list ----- YOU NEVER MOVE UP! Every time there are vacancies, senior 50 or ATR guys jump over. I'm not complaining about that, its fair and how seniority works, but, it would be nice if the company allowed you to go anywhere your seniority ## dictates you can hold, if there is a vacancy.

Stuck in crappy 70 schedule h#ll!

 

[av8tor4239]

QUIT B!TCHING about the 700.. You want to talk about SUCK lines.. look at the ATR BID PACK..... Hell, We have 37 lines and 60 FO's... That means 18+ RESERVE LINES.. Half our lines are RESERVE!

We have 4 days where the first day is 7 legs going into a reduced rest 9 hour over night... THAT IS THE FIRST day of the 4 day! OH yea and we only have 3 destinations outside of Georgia and Alabama!

Guess what.... They wont let us off the ATR EITHER.. NEWHIRES ARE GOING EVERYWHERE... BUT THE CRAP POSITIONS...

I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT FROM ANY 700 PEOPLE!

 

[shamrock]

I'll have to bookmark this page so I can look at it whenever I start thinking about the couple bucks an hour more I could make on the 70.

Looking at the prelims it seems a lot of junior people are moving from the 50 to the 70. Seems that they may be in for a rude awakening.

 

[79%N1]

The 70 schedules STILL suck! The ATR just sucks more!

 

[timetoquit]

Has ASA ever made sense?

I am type-rated in the CL65 with several thousand hours of CRJ PIC from another regional airline and was turned down in their phone screening because I did not meet the 100 hours in the last 6 months! What an absolute joke!

 

[letthebigdogeat]

Doesn't sound right. There must be more to the story.....!!!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I am type-rated in the CL65 with several thousand hours of CRJ PIC from another regional airline and was turned down in their phone screening because I did not meet the 100 hours in the last 6 months! What an absolute joke!

They don't want to stray from their minimum requisites. If they let you in, they'll have to get rid of that requirement. They don't want to waste time getting people up-to-speed on sim day one and two. Sim time is expensive. Sounds like you're qualified to go somewhere better anyway.

 

[ohplease!]

QUIT B!TCHING about the 700.. You want to talk about SUCK lines.. look at the ATR BID PACK..... Hell, We have 37 lines and 60 FO's... That means 18+ RESERVE LINES.. Half our lines are RESERVE!

We have 4 days where the first day is 7 legs going into a reduced rest 9 hour over night... THAT IS THE FIRST day of the 4 day! OH yea and we only have 3 destinations outside of Georgia and Alabama!

Guess what.... They wont let us off the ATR EITHER.. NEWHIRES ARE GOING EVERYWHERE... BUT THE CRAP POSITIONS...

I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT FROM ANY 700 PEOPLE!

BooHoo!!!!!!!

 

[rptrain]

I agree with those who say that another 500 (or 1000... or 2000...) hours dual given is probably not going to prepare you for Part 121.

But you know, there was a time when even those minimum times weren't enough to get hired by a commuter.

MOST of us went from CFI to either single pilot night freight, or charter, before interviewing with a commuter.

It was during that time -- flying single pilot, IMC, at night -- that I really learned. Decision making. Confidence. Real-world IFR experience. And the ability to say "No" when asked to do something unreasonable or unsafe.

So add me to the group that thinks that 600TT just isn't enough. Sorry guys.

another wise post from the sage.

my learning pretty much stopped when i got into part 121, other than to read the asinine memo du jour put out by management and parrot my compliance. i was a far sharper pilot in every respect as a night freight dog.

 

[CF34-3B1]

I am type-rated in the CL65 with several thousand hours of CRJ PIC from another regional airline and was turned down in their phone screening because I did not meet the 100 hours in the last 6 months! What an absolute joke!

I know someone with a similiar story. He went out and GOT the 100 in 6 and still no dice. After a little asking around, what I was told (off the record) was furloughed guys who seem likely to be recalled in the near future are less likely to get called here. They're worried about losing the training investment I guess. We're still hiring furloughed guys, but most of them seem to be low or no PIC turbine, so I'm guessing they are percieved as being "stuck" here for long enough to recoup the training costs.

Hopefully, something better will work out for you anyway. Best of luck.

 

[rumpletumbler]

Can somebody explain reserve to me?

 

[Smacktard]

Can somebody explain reserve to me?

It's like being a doctor on call. You are very important to the company, and you must wait by the phone for an emergency. They call you, and you become a hero by saving the day. Some think it is slightly less glamorous than being a real doctor.

 

[rumpletumbler]

It's like being a doctor on call. You are very important to the company, and you must wait by the phone for an emergency. They call you, and you become a hero by saving the day. Some think it is slightly less glamorous than being a real doctor.

lol...well that would certainly cut down your alcohol consumption. I wonder why they don't call it "on the wagon" or "drying out" rather than reserve.

 

[av8tor4239]

Rumpletumbler..... It is the same thing martha stewart is going through right now... HOUSE ARREST

 

[Airtower]

high time prick.s read on...

to all you guys that think your crap don't stink cus you had a couple thousand hours when you got hired, eat SH$T! you all would've killed for a chance to get a job with low time and don't say you wouldn't. i had a couple grand before i got hired, i wasn't pay for training, but i would have taken the classes if i had the chance!

those young pups that are now getting hired are going to be DAM.N good pilots in the RJ or whatever they fly. i have found that more captains don't know what the hell to do with the autopilots AND FMS's. The new guys have had flight simulator 2004 and are sharp as hell on FMS and Autopilots!

before you bash, realize this, these guys are going to flying your a$$ someday when you are nonreving as a 61 year old. You guys should help them to learn and give them experience. Last i recalled most of you guys got experience from others and your own flying experiences! Don't act like none of you had soime lucky breaks in your life to get this job. even if you do PFT, you still gotta pass the interview and the sim and training!!

i know all of you OLD FARTS are gonna respond. thats fine, you have a right to your opinion. But i am younger than all you old farts and i can run circles around your fat A$$!



Ron Burgundy-"HEY everyone come see how good i look!"

 

[AZ Typed]

to all you guys that think your crap don't stink cus you had a couple thousand hours when you got hired, eat SH$T! you all would've killed for a chance to get a job with low time and don't say you wouldn't. i had a couple grand before i got hired, i wasn't pay for training, but i would have taken the classes if i had the chance!

those young pups that are now getting hired are going to be DAM.N good pilots in the RJ or whatever they fly. i have found that more captains don't know what the hell to do with the autopilots AND FMS's. The new guys have had flight simulator 2004 and are sharp as hell on FMS and Autopilots!

before you bash, realize this, these guys are going to flying your a$$ someday when you are nonreving as a 61 year old. You guys should help them to learn and give them experience. Last i recalled most of you guys got experience from others and your own flying experiences! Don't act like none of you had soime lucky breaks in your life to get this job. even if you do PFT, you still gotta pass the interview and the sim and training!!

i know all of you OLD FARTS are gonna respond. thats fine, you have a right to your opinion. But i am younger than all you old farts and i can run circles around your fat A$$!



Ron Burgundy-"HEY everyone come see how good i look!"

he's got a point

 

[BoilerUP]

he's got a point

Albeit a very arrogant, drunk-esque one.

 

[Airtower]

arrogant = NO

DRUNK = NO
i only drink on my overnights!

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

The FAA should lower the retirement age to 40 and get rid of all the old guys who complain about us younger guys all the time. Its amazing they were once in our shoes how quickly the forget.

 

[BoilerUP]

While you are spot-on in your comments, and I agree with your statement, but your delivery sucks. Perhaps that is more in-line with what you can understand?

There's a bit of humility involved in this profession, as I'm sure you have seen.

Any Honeywell or Collins avionics suite is a piece of cake to learn, especially for the computer generation. The hardest thing I've ever screwed with is a Universal FMS, and its not too bad, just not what I would call intuitive.

FurloughedAgain has presented the best argument from the higher-time pilots, but an RJ is much easier to fly than a Beech 99/1900, Metro or Jetstream. Does that make it any better? No...but I'd be more than happy to ply my time in a Baron at night, then a Jetstream with an 8 month upgrade if I could be at a major by age 25 or 26. But the paradigm has shifted...so here we are. Let's deal with it and make it better, if many of us are destined to be a 50/70/90 seat pilot for our careers.

 

[Airtower]

hey boiler, how ya doin?

life must good good boiler. you get teach unsuspecting students, who are ready to fly every day of your life! thats just fun isn't it! Now, while your teaching a student steep turns. Me and my friends are flying a jet at the rejionals. Now i know it is not as much fun as instructing, but i like it.

I can not believe you would not give your left nut to fly a jet.

OOOPS, i forgot, you are going into the guard. that makes you the best pilot ever with 10,000 hours of instructing and 5 DUI's on your record getting mad because your students are captains before you can even get an interview.

sorry!

 

[BoilerUP]

I can not believe you would not give your left nut to fly a jet.

Temper your Shiny Jet Syndrome there, sport. I HAVE flown a jet - look at my aircraft experience. Been there, done that, got the merit badge. I've landed on 22R at O'Hare and made Papa so I didn't have to go all the way around the airport to get to Signature. Its fun for about the first 5 trips or so, then it becomes a job. Its not really work, but its a job nonetheless. But to answer your question, yes, I do enjoy instructing. Some of us were put on this rock to do more than fly an 82 hour line.

But if it makes you feel any better, I've declined class dates at two regional airlines in the last 5 weeks. So NO, I would not give my left nut to fly a jet. Sorry to disappoint...

 

[jehtplane]

Airtower and Boiler, you both need anger management counseling.

 

[Plug]

Blueridge,

Please refrain from talking out of your hiney. The 700 is very senior in SLC and half Sr/Jr in ATL. The lines do suck but if you are on the top half of the list the type of flying is worth the longer trips. (Trying to put a positive spin on the lines) An ATL CPT in the vicinity of 400 or so in sen bid FO SLC to be there.
The previous poster was correct about growth in SLC; the only way to get there as a newhire is through rapid growth in SLC. I fly the 700 for ASA and feel marginally qualified to comment.

Actually Blue ridge wasn't speaking out of his hiney, dunno what your definition of senior is but SLC FO went in the low to mid 1600's or Jan. 05'