ASA 28-31 Aug contract neg updates?

[viper01]

Anyone?

 

[DoinTime]

You realize that it is barely the close of business on August 28th today don't you? Have some patience.

 

[viper01]

All out of patience...5yrs of patience is really too much.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

they usually dont come out until 9-11pm or so, sometimes later.

 

[79%N1]

Does anybody really think anything will happen? My only question of hope is that it is 4 days this time. Would the NMB schedule 4 days if they didn't think that could get it done? What will we find out on day 4 we don't know on day 1. The rumor about Skywest or Delta killing a TA is not so promising, though. If they killed one before, why not again?

 

[goahead]

I got the 6th post on what could be the longest thread every on FI.............

 

[wmuflyguy]

What sunny destination are the negotiating at? Las Vegas or South Beach?

 

[jeroom]

Negotiations should be held in Alcatraz, with armed guards. No food, no water, no sex until a TA comes out...

 

[Smacktard]

Anyone?

I think today is the 290th session. At that pace, we should need about 130 more to get those last 4 or 5 sections done. Thanks NMB!

 

[79%N1]

Big problem, we are negotiating with the wrong party. We should be negotiating with Skywest and/or Delta. ASA mismanagement has no authority except to stonewall the process.

While we are at it, what happened to the "crew lounge refresh" that according to Mr Halls email would be completed by mid-July??? This was to include painting the entire lounge, new carpeting and furniture. Anybody want to take a crack at that?

 

[Medeco]

I'm willing to wager that this 4 day session is a means to an end.

1) we have a TA

or

2) we dont get a TA because of company not willing to compromise and the NMB gives us our release.

4 days straight is plenty of time for this crap to wrap up.

If the rumor is true that Delta is at the table or calling the shots I have real problems with that and so should our MEC, not to mention the NMB.

Medeco

either way I'm going to relax and enjoy a nice holiday at the beach and so should everyone else at ASA that can.

 

[DoinTime]

What sunny destination are the negotiating at? Las Vegas or South Beach?

Ahhh....the District of Columbia is so nice this time year.

 

[HarryParatestes]

I'm willing to wager that this 4 day session is a means to an end.

1) we have a TA

or

2) we dont get a TA because of company not willing to compromise and the NMB gives us our release.

4 days straight is plenty of time for this crap to wrap up.

If the rumor is true that Delta is at the table or calling the shots I have real problems with that and so should our MEC, not to mention the NMB.

Medeco

either way I'm going to relax and enjoy a nice holiday at the beach and so should everyone else at ASA that can.

Chuck Norris is calling the shots. I hope he realizes that ASA pilots love Walker Texas Ranger.

 

[SiuDude]

Mediated negotiations resumed today in Washington D.C.
The Association made a comprehensive full language proposal
on all the remaining unresolved issues. Management received
our proposal and responded with a proposal with two options.
The CNC will be evaluating the proposals into the evening and
responding tomorrow. At a glance both Management proposals
are lacking in adequate scope protections, pay rates, retro pay,
and duty rigs.
The members of the CNC appreciate the ASA, Comair, Express
Jet, Pinnacle, and Delta pilot’s support. These pilots stood tall in
support of ASA pilots by lining the street in front of the DC
meeting location this morning, and we thank them for their
support for our cause.

 

[jegermeister]

Let's get this done boys. Stop letting ALPA national call the shots and sign a contract both sides can live with. I'm not going to be the one who "takes it back" in one contract. I won't for two reasons.

1. We didn't give up anything after 9/11.
2. The mainline boys didn't stand so strong on their own contracts, so don't use mine to make up for their mistakes.

I loved the Delta guy on my jumpseat who told me to hold the line. This is the same guy who just pissed away his own contract!

Don't get me wrong. If this MEC wants to hit a grand slam contract they can. But it'll be the last meaningful act they do. Delta/Skywest will just reallocate our flying.

 

[sweptback]

If the rumor is true that Delta is at the table or calling the shots I have real problems with that and so should our MEC, not to mention the NMB.

Delta/SkyWest management is not at the table. They can't be, as we can only negotiate with ASA.

However, the reason why it takes so long to negotiate is because on every break our company has to call SGU to get Jerry's permission to increase their offer by 0.003%.

 

[Papa Woody]

Let's get this done boys. Stop letting ALPA national call the shots and sign a contract both sides can live with. I'm not going to be the one who "takes it back" in one contract. I won't for two reasons.

1. We didn't give up anything after 9/11.
2. The mainline boys didn't stand so strong on their own contracts, so don't use mine to make up for their mistakes.

I loved the Delta guy on my jumpseat who told me to hold the line. This is the same guy who just pissed away his own contract!

Don't get me wrong. If this MEC wants to hit a grand slam contract they can. But it'll be the last meaningful act they do. Delta/Skywest will just reallocate our flying.

You sound scared. Are you a jellyfish?

 

[IFLYASA]

"At a glance both Management proposals are lacking in adequate scope protections, pay rates, retro pay,and duty rigs."​

This about sums it up folks. This is the day 1 summary, as will be day 4. Management is just showing up because they have to. They have no desire to settle. ​

We are failing as a pilot group to take control of the situation. Over my last 4 day, at least half of my flights have been delayed due to legitimate maintenance writeups. If we all did this, 50% of our flights would be late. Bryan would sh*t an airworthy titanium brick.​

Look at what happened in 98 to get the contract settled. It's no different here.​

Please step up to the plate!!​

 

[JoeMerchant]

Let's get this done boys. Stop letting ALPA national call the shots and sign a contract both sides can live with. I'm not going to be the one who "takes it back" in one contract. I won't for two reasons.

1. We didn't give up anything after 9/11.
2. The mainline boys didn't stand so strong on their own contracts, so don't use mine to make up for their mistakes.

I loved the Delta guy on my jumpseat who told me to hold the line. This is the same guy who just pissed away his own contract!

Don't get me wrong. If this MEC wants to hit a grand slam contract they can. But it'll be the last meaningful act they do. Delta/Skywest will just reallocate our flying.

Well said Jeger..... hold your reps feet to the fire....

We are being used as pawns in a big pi$$ing contest between Jerry and ALPA.... If Jerry wins the most we will get from ALPA is a nice obituary in the ALPA rag.... just like ACA/Indy Air got..... Our fellow union "brothers" will replace us in a heart beat.....

 

[Medeco]

Delta/SkyWest management is not at the table. They can't be, as we can only negotiate with ASA.

However, the reason why it takes so long to negotiate is because on every break our company has to call SGU to get Jerry's permission to increase their offer by 0.003%.

I agree, they could also be in the hallway or the hotel too.

Medeco

 

[JoeMerchant]

You sound scared. Are you a jellyfish?

No Papa Woody, he isn't a jellyfish.... he has seen this show before when he was at Alleghany. Alleghany had the best contract in the regional industry. They had Dash 8 pilots making 6 figures with a retirement plan. They had a tough and unified pilot group. They were replaced by cheaper ALPA pilots.

Not a "jellyfish"..... just someone who has "been there and done that"...

 

[JoeMerchant]

"At a glance both Management proposals are lacking in adequate scope protections, pay rates, retro pay,and duty rigs."​

This about sums it up folks. This is the day 1 summary, as will be day 4. Management is just showing up because they have to. They have no desire to settle. ​

We are failing as a pilot group to take control of the situation. Over my last 4 day, at least half of my flights have been delayed due to legitimate maintenance writeups. If we all did this, 50% of our flights would be late. Bryan would sh*t an airworthy titanium brick.​

Look at what happened in 98 to get the contract settled. It's no different here.​

Please step up to the plate!!​

This isn't '98 in so many ways.....

The only similarity is that we won't get a release from the NMB.... but then some of us have been saying that for some time.....

Why is the MEC surprised that we haven't been released?

 

[Medeco]

Yeah we know your feelings on the issue Merchant.

Mechant are you willing to keep yourself in the current contract once our new one is ratified with all the new QOL improvements? And turn down the signing bonus/Retro pay by donating it to the guys who worked to get the new contract?

Off course not.

Medeco

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yeah we know your feelings on the issue Merchant.

Mechant are you willing to keep yourself in the current contract once our new one is ratified with all the new QOL improvements? And turn down the signing bonus/Retro pay by donating it to the guys who worked to get the new contract?

Off course not.

Medeco

My first concern is not being replaced by Skywest or any other DCI carrier....

That being said, the improvements you are talking about are a moot point if you never actually get a new contract. When a new contract is achieved, it will look very similar to what is currently on the table.... The longer we drag this out, the longer before those improvements take place......

 

[COOPERVANE]

labor day weekend

 

[Medeco]

My first concern is not being replaced by Skywest or any other DCI carrier....

That being said, the improvements you are talking about are a moot point if you never actually get a new contract. When a new contract is achieved, it will look very similar to what is currently on the table.... The longer we drag this out, the longer before those improvements take place......

Your points that you repeatedly make like a broken record, are all moot.

You dodged the question.

We all agree that being replaced is a huge concern. Obviously, our CNC does too based on the updates we have recieved over the last few months. But according to you we should give up the farm to get scope.

Medeco

 

[BIGGOAT]

My question is whether you can get solid scope, good raises, retro pay, duty rigs, and qol/sced etc in the same contract. Scope cost Mesa and AE...

Goat

 

[Medeco]

I dont know the answer 100% like mister merchant claims to.

But, in principle, we must try to achieve the best we can for our pilot group.

One thing for sure is the ASA pilot group has not rolled over as of yet and this has added to the timeline of the contract neg.

I personally think, that ASA/Skywest Inc. and Mother Delta have had a plan from the beginning of the sale of ASA. It may be a fluid ever evolving plan, but something is going on here.

Dr. Jerry AtKIN, hasnt shown his face to this pilot group for more than a year, in terms of a town hall meeting or crew room chat. Thats speaks loudly to me.

Dr. Jerry is gambling, with us and the ALPA drive at Skywest and hoping he can play us against each other as he is doing and has done.

If the Skywest MEN/Women will step up and sign on, we can all have the upper hand and hold out for what is best for everyone.

No doubt its very difficult to convince enough people in todays, instant gratification mentality, that patience in this fight is worth it.

Medeco

 

[av8er2]

Not looking good.

 

[goahead]

Nope not going to hapen yet again, probably ever, should just get used to this sh_it every three to four months.