Are you guys tired of this yet? Time for National list?

[Flopgut]

Gotta love it!! Boomers want to either make scab lists or be on scab lists but then bristle at the notion we should have one list for everyone?!

Where does the gall hit bottom for you boomers? How bad do you guys have to get things screwed up before you hang your heads and disappear? If this were pro sports, Wall Street, the public sector, or anything where seniority wasn't the primary determinant you would be out!

 

[B190Captain]

What we need is a national list of socialist losers....I will watch and see which pilots put their name to that list. The dumbest idea I have ever heard on this board!

There is nothing socialist about the idea of an NSL. It would settle a lot of problems but at the same time create new ones. No system is perfect. This one is certainly flawed and backed by a union with no backbone. How can a Union claim "one voice" when there are 35 different contracts? It solves nothing and promotes low-balling one another and pitting pilot against pilot while management watches from the ivory towers in amusement.

That is why it would be up to us to put our heads together collectively and solve them as much as we can. Unfortunately the "me, me, me" factor comes into play and it becomes more troublesome.

I take it you were or are military. When you transfer to another base or branch do you lose your rank/pay grade? Do you go to buck private when you make a transfer? Seems to me that your statement is a bit hypocritical.

Nothing personal just an opinion.

 

[JT12345]

What we need is a national list of socialist losers....I will watch and see which pilots put their name to that list. The dumbest idea I have ever heard on this board!

I knew before I read your bio what you were. You are typical. Guy gets out of military world isolated from the rest and is an expert on commercial aviation politics. You just don't get it, but you will. This industry will promise you that. Doesn't matter who you work for. All it takes is bad timing and one bad decision.

 

[licorice]

--B190: The only possible use for a NSL I can see would be for the contingency of a merger...and even that would be extremely difficult, as all the pilots in the country would have to agree on an initial, negotiated national list based on a lot more than DOH! The idea that through an NSL jobs would be interchangeable during times of hiring, furlough etc. is completely unworkable and would create many more problems than it would solve.

 

[licorice]

Gotta love it!! Boomers want to either make scab lists or be on scab lists but then bristle at the notion we should have one list for everyone?!

Kind of a s-t-r-e-t-c-h, there, Flopgut, all boomers make scab lists or are on scab lists? Similar to: all genXers either make baseless accusations or are angry that they are junior!

Where does the gall hit bottom for you boomers? How bad do you guys have to get things screwed up before you hang your heads and disappear?

Yes, we 70 million boomers hang our heads in shame before the puny, greedy generation of have-nots who's motto is: "immediate satisfaction"

If this were pro sports, Wall Street, the public sector, or anything where seniority wasn't the primary determinant you would be out

Primary determinant of what, Fatgut? -talent? worth? position? YGTBSM!! GenX more talented? more "worthy"? than previous generations? -no, just more greedy and IMPATIENT...

You genX FLAPs never cease to amaze me, you can't stand being junior, so you want to negate seniority by any means possible .......paying all pilots the same via a NSL,(a payraise for you) -or be rewarded for your (temporary) advantage of youth and quicker eye-hand coordination---a kind of half-a$$ed meritocracy were your true, and most "worthy" talents would immediately prevail.......(flying, button-pushing MONKEYS!!!!):laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :smash:

 

[licorice]

I knew before I read your bio what you were. You are typical. Guy gets out of military world isolated from the rest and is an expert on commercial aviation politics. You just don't get it, but you will. This industry will promise you that. Doesn't matter who you work for. All it takes is bad timing and one bad decision.

JT: maybe you just don't get it, -his military experience landed him a 1st job at a very stable, MAJOR AIRLINE. That fact effectively overrides all of your nefarious plots and imaginings of "recovering lost seniority" via a NSL.

 

[Flopgut]

You genX FLAPs never cease to amaze me, you can't stand being junior, so you want to negate seniority by any means possible .......

Negate seniority??!! You can't be serious. What do you call age 65?? Fascinating that I ask "where does the gall hit bottom?" and you accuse my generation of attempting to negate seniority with a NSL. Evidently, arrogance and gall have no bottom with you. Are you reading your own posts? Unbelievable.

 

[licorice]

Negate seniority??!! You can't be serious.

Oh, but I am, Flop. As long as all airlines are different and pay differently a NSL will be a "seniority grab" by those who are payed less and have less stable careers. "Make" the airlines all pay the same? -Yeah right, that would be equivalent to "making" all airlines be the same...pretty tough thing to do in a free-enterprise democracy. Why don't you petition the government to "nationalize" the entire airline industry, then everyone would be payed the same and if anything goes wrong the taxpayers will pick up the tab..

What do you call age 65??

I don't know, but let me guess: a taxi? -optional social security retirement age? standard, industry-wide, government-wide, nation-wide retirement age?-a retirement age that was inevitable for that rare, feisty breed,-the "airline pilot"- but just happened to occur at an inconvenient time for you? -yeah, that's what I'll call it! How did you let this happen on your watch, Flopgut? Take heart though, with the demise of defined benefit retirements, age 65 is moot, people will retire when they have enough money to retire..

Fascinating that I ask "where does the gall hit bottom?" and you accuse my generation of attempting to negate seniority with a NSL.

Yes, fascinating isn't it Flop, that you could ask such an innocent, unprovocative question such as "where does the gall hit bottom?" and not expect a response in kind. In fact, it's not only fascinating, I find that it's scintillatingly hypocritical...

Evidently, arrogance and gall have no bottom with you. Are you reading your own posts? Unbelievable.

You make very vague, run-of-the-mill hyperbolic accusations, Flopgut. How about rubbing a few gray cells together and elaborate, elucidate or articulate (take your pick) your positions...

P.S.-waveflyer started this "generation war" with his completely unprovoked comments about his captain's (and his entire generation!) "stuggling" with FMS. Impressive, isn't it? Thanks for "chiming in".

 

[licorice]

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[Flopgut]

Licorice: Age 65 was seniority aggression. An act of hostility perpetrated by your generation of miscreants who think cradle to grave employment is a birthright. YOU negated seniority with age 65. Do we have to wonder how your generation would have acted if this had fell to you to deal with? Not for a second. Discussion of a NSL as a backstop to possible future churn in the wake of you retirement age stunt is actually a fair minded idea. Of course with the ease and near zero disciplined rise your generation enjoyed to career contentment compared to any before or [possibly] after leaves no room for doubt your going to be adverse to that. There is no amount of increase or assistance that your generation won't soak up and then clamor for more.

Just a little about me: 737 Captain with probably more JT8, VOR to VOR flight time than you have. No, sorry, don't flatter yourself...you aren't denying me anything. My R&I chair already tried to intervene on my age 65 thoughts by showing me where I am on the seniority list. Nope. Sorry. My own good fortune on this rule change doesn't suffice. I'm not you and I'm not in your generation. Hold cheap every landing and every radio transmission you make. You are not the professional equivilent of the pilot you are flying with. Your generation will be written into the history books just like every other. You better believe: Every single pilot in all the generations before and after yours aint got enough middle fingers to fully display the contempt for you and your generation.