Are the Frontier pilots happy?

[trainer8]

I guess it is true. Every airline does has there five (5%) percenters. Even SWA...who'd a thought?

 

[dragontamer]

Gup,

What a crazy, outrageous question to ask. I can't believe you'd be so inflamatory as to ask it the "Frontier guys were happy?"

 

[stratus72]

Boy this is a rough crowd.

What part of "explain to me your position so I understand" and "I'm not hatin' on you" don't you guys get? It was intended to be the same as asking a guy who had two job offers if he could look back and say it was the right move picking X over Z.

I was also trying to understand your logic to apply it to our upcoming fiasco. There was no hate, inferred or implied, in my initial post. If you took it that way it's because you're spring loaded. I will take this ass chewing in stride and mind my own business.

Signed,
The Pretentious Prick

I've read a number of your 2000+ posts, and you definitely "LUV" to stir the pot! This was clearly another attempt...not buying your "I was being sincere" BS. Enough said...Yes, better to mind your own business if you're going to continue with your tired attempts to ruffle feathers.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Has your question been answered, Gup?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Maybe it was rhetorical?

 

[SizzleChest]

The fat lady has not yet Sung, If the STS falls through for IBT, the IMSL is irrelevant to FAPA.

Seniority would have to be renegotiated with a whole new set of facts (we saved you would no longer be a relevant if inaccurate argument) if a later ruling declares them single carrier

The FA's were declared separate and not much has changed with the airline since that happened.

So GUP, I'm guessing that there is a sting, but that the fight is still on.

4 more E-190s painted in F9 colors (NOT jet exporess)..... a Bull/Bison, hummingbrid, Bambi, coyote..... not a STS? 2 more in MCI paint as this is being typed......

 

[F9 Driver]

4 more E-190s painted in F9 colors (NOT jet exporess)..... a Bull/Bison, hummingbrid, Bambi, coyote..... not a STS? 2 more in MCI paint as this is being typed......

And every one with that little "Operated by Republic Airlines" on the nose. May as well be Jet Express.

 

[SizzleChest]

And every one with that little "Operated by Republic Airlines" on the nose. May as well be Jet Express.

ooooh.... where are your schedulers? dispatch? CEO? COO? CHDO? payroll?

 

[USMC319]

ooooh.... where are your schedulers? dispatch? CEO? COO? CHDO? payroll?

No question that there are some criteria met for STS with F9 but certainly not all criteria has been met. For crying out loud, the 3 RAH regional subsidiaries (Chatauqua, Shuttle, Republic) haven't even been deemed a Single Transportation System yet. However, their current petition may do just that; designate those 3 regionals as an STS and determine Frontier to be separate, which will give BB some breathing room to sell Frontier to another mainline operator or at least try to build his own without this ridiculous SLI fouling his plans and ruining the careers of the F9 pilots.

 

[Bolo]

ooooh.... where are your schedulers? dispatch? CEO? COO? CHDO? payroll?

Last time I called dispatch, they said Frontier. Last time I looked my manuals they said F9. My uniform must have faded with all the years in the sunlight. They sure look different than any of the RAH entities. Oh, I forgot my hat? That is right I am not required to wear one. My DO and CP are in Denver as well. I have never seen RAH crews at any of the hotels we stay at.

And your point is?

 

[stratus72]

4 more E-190s painted in F9 colors (NOT jet exporess)..... a Bull/Bison, hummingbrid, Bambi, coyote..... not a STS? 2 more in MCI paint as this is being typed......

I can't say how the NMB will rule. However, having the same paint job doesn't mean that much at this particular point. RAH is feeding our mainline carrier, just like they would with a contract carrier, flying under their colors. Based on previous NMB decisions that I've read (I know each board is different), they are looking for similar or same management, uniforms, scheduling, SOC, routes, etc...many of which are favorable to us since they are different. Again, who knows? We'll probably find out soon.

 

[stratus72]

Last time I called dispatch, they said Frontier. Last time I looked my manuals they said F9. My uniform must have faded with all the years in the sunlight. They sure look different than any of the RAH entities. Oh, I forgot my hat? That is right I am not required to wear one. My DO and CP are in Denver as well. I have never seen RAH crews at any of the hotels we stay at.

And your point is?

Exactly! There is much more to add to that list too...

 

[The Drizzle]

Exactly! There is much more to add to that list too...

Like that single point of failure in the dispatch system that brought down all RAH airlines. This will be a curious ruling either way.

 

[SizzleChest]

Last time I called dispatch, they said Frontier. Last time I looked my manuals they said F9. My uniform must have faded with all the years in the sunlight. They sure look different than any of the RAH entities. Oh, I forgot my hat? That is right I am not required to wear one. My DO and CP are in Denver as well. I have never seen RAH crews at any of the hotels we stay at.

And your point is?

those are all air carrier certificate specific items. Of course those will not be the same. Just like Eagle was several different certificates. Your uniform policy is in your FOM, again, air carrier certificate specific. Look up the F/A NMB response online and you will see what they have to say. pay close attention to the dissenting opinion inside it.

 

[freightrash]

since recent BB's letter indicates he wants to keep f9/rah to be seperated
so badbly, the STS will favor to F9 guys.(you are right they will use the
example from the Eagle and Comair)
Don't lose your hope f9ers! We will be another AMR. At RAH, no one
deserves the your mighty joysticks(bus or cseries whatever).
At this point I just wanna forget about the SLI. I just wanna see the new
contract!!!!!

 

[Bolo]

since recent BB's letter indicates he wants to keep f9/rah to be seperated
so badbly, the STS will favor to F9 guys.(you are right they will use the
example from the Eagle and Comair)
Don't lose your hope f9ers! We will be another AMR. At RAH, no one
deserves the your mighty joysticks(bus or cseries whatever).
At this point I just wanna forget about the SLI. I just wanna see the new
contract!!!!!

I hope you are right about being separate. I won't bank on it since we have been burned on SLI.

 

[Captain Morgan]

since recent BB's letter indicates he wants to keep f9/rah to be seperated
so badbly, the STS will favor to F9 guys.(you are right they will use the
example from the Eagle and Comair)
Don't lose your hope f9ers! We will be another AMR. At RAH, no one
deserves the your mighty joysticks(bus or cseries whatever).
At this point I just wanna forget about the SLI. I just wanna see the new
contract!!!!!

I just want to get my time and get the f out! You guys can all play with your joysticks all you want.

 

[Bolo]

I just want to get my time and get the f out! You guys can all play with your joysticks all you want.

Depeche Mode reunion tour?

 

[jacksjj]

Do you people not understand what is going to happen to you if there is no STS? RAH pilots have been trying to tell you for months that if we do not become 1, you WILL be out of a job in a very short time.

BB and WH want us to be separate for 1 reason and 1 reason only. To transfer every single one of your precious sidesticked airplanes over to a pilot group who will fly them for less.

It's not IF it will happen. It's WHEN.

 

[5-early]

Do you people not understand what is going to happen to you if there is no STS? RAH pilots have been trying to tell you for months that if we do not become 1, you WILL be out of a job in a very short time.

BB and WH want us to be separate for 1 reason and 1 reason only. To transfer every single one of your precious sidesticked airplanes over to a pilot group who will fly them for less.

It's not IF it will happen. It's WHEN.

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So your advice is that we just go ahead and surrender our careers in the name of "Oneness"? Is that what you say the RAH Pilots have been trying to tell us?

There is only one way that a "whipsaw" occurs in this situation. The RAH Pilots must AGREE to do our jobs (Airbus/Narrow Body flying) for less money. To my simple mind that would leave the ball and moral decision in the Republic Pilot's court. We'll have to wait and see what decision is made.