Arbitrator Rules Furloughed US Airways Pilots Will Lose Seniority

[glasspilot1]

Could you please provide the following: Who was this mediator, when did he write what you quoted and what was the context, and cite your source.

Dude, as you know, these guys have to assume we were about to disappear to justify the sh*t sandwich they gave us! They WILL NOT ACCEPT any idea that we may have actually survived without AA because that would undermine their argument.

 

[TWA Dude]

As I watched RJ after RJ take off last week from PHL and LGA, THATS where the AAA Captain jobs are, given away in an effort to save their pension. THATS who the junior AAA guys should be angry at......

Wow. It's been over fifteen years since the RJ Revolution yet some people still misplace their anger. No, being angry at those RJs is not the right place because those RJs didn't steal mainline flying, IT WAS GIVEN TO THEM BY MAINLINE. And the same thing has taken place at every airline with codeshare partners.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

I'm just glad someone jumped in this thread, who has a crystal ball, and was able to tell us exactly what was going to happen. That should clear up any discussion on who saved who. Give me a break.

This coming from a Delta empoyee, who works for a company that just came out of BK, and screwed many creditors out of a lot of money. Maybe one of those creditors should get a number on the Delta sen list since they saved you.

That award was a disgrace to our profession.

As I've stated before, the lack of fences was the main problem.

You sound as though you feel you were entitled to something! The REAL problem was/continues to be how your MEC and your MC poorly managed you expectations!! You feel that you should be able to right the wrongs of the past and the back to back bankruptcies, poor management etc. on the backs and at the expense of the AWA pilots. This award was more than fair to the east considering the alternative!!!

WD

 

[Hpilot]

glasspilot1,

I know this is off subject. What kind of bike is that? At first glance I thought a Triumph Trident.

 

[Traderd]

glasspilot1,

I know this is off subject. What kind of bike is that? At first glance I thought a Triumph Trident.

I had the same question... except I believe it to be the infamous Suzuki GT500 "Water Buffalo". Smooth ride if I recall; two cycle water cooled triple.

 

[glasspilot1]

I had the same question... except I believe it to be the infamous Suzuki GT500 "Water Buffalo". Smooth ride if I recall; two cycle water cooled triple.

Traderd:

Your close! The "Water Buffalo" (unofficial nickname) was the GT750! Got the name from the fact it was the first modern water cooled motorcycle. I put the word "modern" in there because there were a few liquid cooled bikes in the early 1900's.

 

[Britpilot]

Now that, is a cool motorcycle. I hav'nt seen one in years, looks nice.

 

[aa73]

Cool bike... but not as cool as my Vespa PX150!

 

[glasspilot1]

Now that, is a cool motorcycle. I hav'nt seen one in years, looks nice.

(Apologies to the moderator as this thread is officially hijacked.)

Thanks! In the early to mid '70's 2 stroke road bikes were at their peak. But with the EPA regs in the late '70's the 4 strokes began to take over. But those 2 strokes had their day; they were quick and light. No valves to adjust. And with water cooling the GT750 engines would run 100,000 miles (with proper care), just like a 4 stroke.

Now, back to airline gossip!

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

You sound as though you feel you were entitled to something! The REAL problem was/continues to be how your MEC and your MC poorly managed you expectations!! You feel that you should be able to right the wrongs of the past and the back to back bankruptcies, poor management etc. on the backs and at the expense of the AWA pilots. This award was more than fair to the east considering the alternative!!!

WD

Why does everyone keep talking about the alternatives? Who's to say US was going to liquidate? UAL was interested at one time. I think someone else might still have come around had AWA not jumped on them. One thing is for sure, mergers suck!! What about a national seniority list???

 

[aa73]

(Apologies to the moderator as this thread is officially hijacked.)

Thanks! In the early to mid '70's 2 stroke road bikes were at their peak. But with the EPA regs in the late '70's the 4 strokes began to take over. But those 2 strokes had their day; they were quick and light. No valves to adjust. And with water cooling the GT750 engines would run 100,000 miles (with proper care), just like a 4 stroke.

Now, back to airline gossip!

The 2 strokes are actually supposed to be banned from sale in the near future. (EPA standards.) Like you said, it's a great motor, the only thing that's kind of a pain is having to fill up the oil tank every 400 miles or so. (the fuel and oil mixes automatically.)

Can't argue with 80mpg and a $3.50 fill up!

 

[Traderd]

Traderd:

Your close! The "Water Buffalo" (unofficial nickname) was the GT750! Got the name from the fact it was the first modern water cooled motorcycle. I put the word "modern" in there because there were a few liquid cooled bikes in the early 1900's.

You are correct Sir!. The 500 just slipped out somehow. I had a 1972 Kawasaki 750 two stroke triple. Not nearly so quiet or civilized as the Suzuki.

 

[glasspilot1]

the only thing that's kind of a pain is having to fill up the oil tank every 400 miles or so. (the fuel and oil mixes automatically.)

Can't argue with 80mpg and a $3.50 fill up!

Towards the end of the 2 stroke era all the bikes had pretty sophisticated oil injection systems that got us away from the need to mix oil on a gas fill up. Greatly reduced the exhaust smoke too, because the oil pump was metered with the throttle, so at idle almost no oil was being burned.

As far as the MPG; the large 2 strokes sucked gas pretty bad. My 750 gets maybe 35 to 40 MPG, that Kaw 750 was even worse.

 

[aa73]

Towards the end of the 2 stroke era all the bikes had pretty sophisticated oil injection systems that got us away from the need to mix oil on a gas fill up. Greatly reduced the exhaust smoke too, because the oil pump was metered with the throttle, so at idle almost no oil was being burned.

As far as the MPG; the large 2 strokes sucked gas pretty bad. My 750 gets maybe 35 to 40 MPG, that Kaw 750 was even worse.

Well, yeah, because it was a 750... mine's only a pip squeak 150! (still does about 65mph thanks to a nice little aftermarket pipe..... and sounds like a bad a$$ lawn mower to boot.)

p.s. check your pm's, glasspilot

 

[stlflyguy]

A few things regarding the TWA/AA deal:

1) TWA's bankruptcy was a condition of the AA/TWA Asset Purchase Agreement. TWA was not in bankruptcy when the deal was announced.

2) There was no way that AA was going to allow a complete staple of all TWA pilots and then a reshuffling of seats. AA needed Captains to fly the TWA aircraft and it was going to do it the cheapest way possible....by letting enough TWA captains keep their seats.

3) AA agreed to "use its reasonable best efforts" in negotiating with APA to "secure a fair and equitable process for the integration of seniority" and to adopt any procedures jointly agreed to by the two unions." There wasn't any procedure agreed to by BOTH unions. APA had Supp CC worked up and approved with AA in July of '01, long before the "facilitated" discussions had ended.

4) Any AA pilot who says that the APA should have "stapled the TWA pilots like they did the OZ pilots" would have done just fine by me. Staple me "like the OZ pilots".....with DOH and fences.

stlflyguy