APAAD regrouping to challenge age 60

[Flybynite]

The age discrimination is the blantant power grab the near retiring guys are forcing. The fact that an under age 60 pilot must be present in the cockpit with an over 60 guy smacks of hypocrisy and discrimination against those having to carry the water bucket.

I'm just gonna assume you are not that naive of the political process. How about those that are capable of maintaining a class 1 be given the opportunity to continue to work? You want to retire at 60, go right ahead, nothing stoppin you. Your choice. You can retire at 50, go for it. Your choice. I just think everyone should have the choice.

So go ahead and use the old tired excuses:

you knew the rules
too many wives
poor financial planning
too many toys
blah, blah, blah

They don't apply. I enjoy my job and want the option to continue. I know that is just too hard to believe.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

I'm just gonna assume you are not that naive of the political process. How about those that are capable of maintaining a class 1 be given the opportunity to continue to work?

By all means continue to work overseas or in a non-part 121 operation.

Fly till you die. But you knew that SWA did not have a pension style retirement the day you hired on. You knew age 60 benefits you in your career. And you knew you had to be ready for your next job or retirement by age 60.

Your poor planning is not my emergency.

And I am not naive about anything. I know a screw job the moment I see it.

 

[FNG_that's me]

For those opposed to the change(self included):

Stay active. If the change happens, APAAD et al will have successfully stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars from you pocket. Plus safety implications, the potential of medical standards being raised, loss of b-fund and being punished for retireing at 60.

We need to be fighting this like someone is picking our pockets of a half a million dollars...that's how APAAD is fighting this. And that's what they are motivated to do.

Don't relent, make your voice heard!!

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Old news

As far as debate of the issue who cares. Everyone already knows their position. I don't think we have any swing votes out their needing to be convinced.

Fact is APAAD is going to be at it again in 2007. APAAD, SWAPA, and SWA management along with JBLU management is the threat to every pilots career.

Paul Emens is the head of APAAD and the chief instigator. Has everything he done been ethical? Has he acted responsible in his zeal to change the system? SWA pilots know and should do something about it if he has not.

If the SWA pilots and JBLU pilots stand firm on the status quo, the only voice promoting a change will be an obviously biased APAAD.

SWA must have another vote. And as many SWA pilots as possible must participate to make Paul Emens and company clearly convinced that the will of the group is the outcome of the results.

SWA can stop this entire problem.

 

[Andy]

I enjoy my job and want the option to continue. I know that is just too hard to believe.

What you really mean is:
I enjoy my job and want the option to continue in the left seat. I refuse to move back to the right seat. I don't care who suffers due to my greed or how much I compromise the safety of airline operations.

 

[spinproof]

If that is the case, then why not put two age 60+ guys in the cockpit together?

I don't have a problem with that! It would be much better than putting a person who hasn't even solo'd in the right seat!

 

[Freight Dog]

Hey Flybynite... here are more excuses:

I don't want to put up with the smell or have to change your diapers in the cockpit because you won't retire. I suspect most F/A's don't want to put up with that either.

I don't want to be forced to fly with some old captain whose night vision is "not quite like it used to be."

I want extra pay and extra B-fund percentage if I'm forced to fly with over 60 crowd. Call it the "senior home override." But guess what... management will force even more paycuts upon us because of you. Say hello to 35 year payscales. Retirement? What retirement? You don't need B-fund. You can fly til you die!

I don't want to wear out the oxygen mask next to my right knee because your bladder can't last more than 20 minutes.

I don't want to be stuck on reserve and drawing a substantially lower check while flying your entire bid line because you're calling in sick all the time.

I don't want to have to keep looking over to the left to see if you're napping when it's your leg.

I don't want to have to answer radio calls when I'm flying because you're having a senior moment or napping.

I know you enjoy your job. Unfortunately, you're no longer qualified to do it... I know that is a tough pill to swallow for APAAD egomaniacs, but all good things come to an end.

Hope you enjoyed the ride.... now hit the golf course, but don't break your hip.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Paul Emens retires on 29 Sep 08 (Not soon enough). I would imagine that there will be a huge party at SWA when he goes.

 

[Flybynite]

Hey Flybynite... here are more excuses:

I don't want to put up with the smell or have to change your diapers in the cockpit because you won't retire. I suspect most F/A's don't want to put up with that either.

I don't want to be forced to fly with some old captain whose night vision is "not quite like it used to be."

I want extra pay and extra B-fund percentage if I'm forced to fly with over 60 crowd. Call it the "senior home override." But guess what... management will force even more paycuts upon us because of you. Say hello to 35 year payscales. Retirement? What retirement? You don't need B-fund. You can fly til you die!


I don't want to wear out the oxygen mask next to my right knee because your bladder can't last more than 20 minutes.

I don't want to be stuck on reserve and drawing a substantially lower check while flying your entire bid line because you're calling in sick all the time.

I don't want to have to keep looking over to the left to see if you're napping when it's your leg.

I don't want to have to answer radio calls when I'm flying because you're having a senior moment or napping.

I know you enjoy your job. Unfortunately, you're no longer qualified to do it... I know that is a tough pill to swallow for APAAD egomaniacs, but all good things come to an end.

Hope you enjoyed the ride.... now hit the golf course, but don't break your hip.

I want to fly with you so you can remind me to flare.
I need you to translate a PDC.
I need you to remind me how to tune a VHF radio.

Geez, I'm 45, probably will retire at 60. But I would like the option. Hard to fathom but that's the way it is.

Sorry your life is going to be miserable for an extra 5 years. We all know it is going to change, just a matter of when.

 

[Flybynite]

By all means continue to work overseas or in a non-part 121 operation.

Fly till you die. But you knew that SWA did not have a pension style retirement the day you hired on. You knew age 60 benefits you in your career. And you knew you had to be ready for your next job or retirement by age 60.

Your poor planning is not my emergency.

And I am not naive about anything. I know a screw job the moment I see it.

Why should I go over seas? I am happy in this country. Why should I change jobs? Happy with the one I have. Poor planning, I don't think so. Like I said keep using the worn out excuses, they don't apply.

 

[Flybynite]

What you really mean is:
I enjoy my job and want the option to continue in the left seat. I refuse to move back to the right seat. I don't care who suffers due to my greed or how much I compromise the safety of airline operations.

Move back to the right seat? Didn't see that requirement. Must be one of your compromises again. Know what I mean is I like my job and want the opportunity to continue working. Why are so vehemently opposed to change? You took your leave of absence, will come back when conditions best suit you. Your short time at United means retirement won't be much of a player so you can go at 60, 55, 50 or never go back. Your choice.

 

[Flybynite]

now hit the golf course, but don't break your hip.

Seems to me someone with over 1200 posts on flight info needs to find a hobby. Thought you were through responding to me.

 

[Falconjet]

Flybynite: Thanks for your insight and opinion.

Have a nice day.

FJ

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Andy,
Some bonehead on the swapa forum is saying that all appropriations bills that were roled over to the 110 congress will also have all attachments including S65. I didnt think this was true, can you give me some ammo?

 

[Chest Rockwell]

For all my Southwest brothers who are pro change I ask you one question. What happens when we quit growing and upgrades stop. Will you still be a pro change guy?

The guys hired pre 9/11 upgraded in 4 years. It will take me 6.5 years plus.

Gup

If/when we quit growing, I will remain pro change simply because I believe that the rule is baseless and wrong. If someone can come up with some convincing data to support keeping the status quo, I can live with it. But, if not, the rule should be changed. Yes, in your scenario, upgrades will slow quite a bit, but upgrading is not an entitlement, unless you can negotiate that in your CBA.

Many of those hired pre 9/11 did upgrade in considerably less time. They also flew less productive schedules ($), flew with fewer benefits, and most had to pay for the type before they could even apply.