Anyone know what a senior major CA earned in 1977?

[capt. megadeth]

You'll likely find that almost everyone is moving backwards...except hedge fund managers.

Also CEOs and other airline executives.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I wonder how they kept it up at JAL..

I heard from someone on JAL contract side that a JAL main line 747 Captain now makes $450K and gets a limo ride from/to home every time he goes to work.

Whoop de doo!!!

Who the f*** would want that? That's stupid. I'd rather drive myself.

 

[skywdriver]

I wonder how they kept it up at JAL..

I heard from someone on JAL contract side that a JAL main line 747 Captain now makes $450K and gets a limo ride from/to home every time he goes to work.

I think a lot of rumors are floating around about how much the foreign guys get paid, but I don't think most of it is true. I found a site that has a lot of foreign pay scales, and even though there is no way to verify the accuracy, the scales listed for the American carriers seem pretty legit. Either way, I would say there is no chance that JAL guys get paid 450k a year. They aren't listed, but the ANA guys don't make nearly that much. Seems that the European carriers pay the best in the world right now, not taking into consideration ex pat taxing. Lufthansa senior captains are making about 300,000 a year, but that is with a very weak dollar conversion. Given what the dollar used to be worth against the Euro, they were making about the same as the American pilots. Here is the site link if anyone is interested:
http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/
Again, seems legit but who knows. Either way, like someone said earlier, very few professions seem to be paying "what they used to."

 

[Dumb Pilot]

That sounds high but you shouldn't try to equate the salary with dollars and how much it would be in U.S. as living standard and the cost of living in Japan (especially in Tokyo) is astronomical.

It is more like $350/year or so, the pay structure in Japan is based on years of service in the company and not the equipment you fly. a 20 year seniority 767 and 747 captains make the same salary

The limo ride is true. NRT isn't exactly a commutable airport by primary (reliable) means of transportation (train) and the driving is rather complex (also VERY expensive) and the traffic is unpredictable. I wouldn't say JAL does it because they want to treat the pilots well, but when you are in charge of big resposibility like that, the airline just can't afford to be late, you just have to leave the hassle of driving around jammed Tokyo to the professionals.

A lot of folks use the public transprtation system in Japan and NRT is served by two major railway lines, public bus lines and private airport limosine bus service. The public transportation service in Tokyo is about as easy and reliable as you will find anywhere in the world and the highway sytem is also very efficient and hassle free.
Also the notion of the cost of living in Tokyo is overblown in everyway, exept in housing. It does cost a lot of money to rent or buy a house or apartment in Tokyo, this is true (specially close to the center of town) but up in Narita and the outher suburbs you can still find two bedroom apartments for about $1500/month.
Now about the cost of everything else, It is not even as close to being as expensive as you think.

I think is time that we as pilots stop making excuses as to why we make less than our counterparts in other parts of the world and start realizing that it is FREAKING EXPENSIVE to live in the United States. You are over taxed in every way and the medical costs in the US is what I discribe as Astronomical.

To answer the original question, pilots make less than a third of what they used to in 1977 if you compare the cost of living now. pissed off yet?:angryfire I sure as hell am

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I would say there is no chance that JAL guys get paid 450k a year. They aren't listed, but the ANA guys don't make nearly that much. Seems that the European carriers pay the best in the world right now, not taking into consideration ex pat taxing. Lufthansa senior captains are making about 300,000 a year, but that is with a very weak dollar conversion.

The pay structure in Japan is based on years of service and not on equipment, a 20 year captain on the 767 makes the same as the 20 year 747 captain
(per diem rates are different)
Also JAL and ANA pay for Japanese pilots is pretty similar. I don't think is as high as 450K a year but it is upwards of 300Kplus for sure in both companies. they get payed (and get treated) very well.

Transportation is provided for you when your flight starts or ends out of your base or is scheduled at odd hours (even for training events late at night) At normal hours most of the employees use the public transportation system or drive to work. It is not uncommon to see a senior VP seating beside you on the train going to work in the morning.

 

[regionaltard]

I don't disagree. And I know I'm preaching to the faithful, but unless Labor has the ability to withhold its labor, we'll nearly always be out-lawyered.

My only point was that things, post de-regulation, would look a lot different if it weren't for the RLA, IMHO.

Oh, no doubt. Still, that doesn't change the fact that we've been outplayed in every facet of the game for about 10 years now.

 

[RJAA]

Dumb Pilot;

It is off topic, but speaking from my experience of living in Japan for 20 years, I would never describe Japan's highway system to be efficient and hassle free!! not to mention you will be paying out money that folds in several toll gates only to get stuck in gridlock trying to get in the city. Where is the HOV lane for buses? There aren't any!! I have driven. What about parking?? What if you miss an exit? You are screwed! I cannot imagine anyone who would like to endure the drive from the city to NRT, then pilot a B747 on a long haul. Trains are great everywhere, but NRT is in the sticks, I have never met a brave soul who has ever thought of commuting on the train or car from the city on a regular basis. It's insane. Not to mention the cost of it.

Japan IS expensive, next time, you should see how much 100 dollars would last in the city. Check out the price of a small cup of coffee, or a small glass of national beer, a night of a good hotel room in and around the city. Anyway, good day and back to the original topic.

 

[Ty Webb]

In 1986 a UAL 767 CA made around $14K a month.

 

[Quack]

http://www.landings.com/_landings/stories/captainicarus.html

i'm not sure if this has been posted already, but intriguing arcticle

 

[Palomino]

http://www.landings.com/_landings/stories/captainicarus.html

i'm not sure if this has been posted already, but intriguing arcticle

ok...it's one thing to not do a search.

it's another thing to miss the dupe post within the same 2 page thread.

this place never ceases to amaze me. i find the humor - i have to.

 

[Quack]

awww crap nevermind...delete

 

[IronCityBlue]

I don't disagree. And I know I'm preaching to the faithful, but unless Labor has the ability to withhold its labor, we'll nearly always be out-lawyered.

My only point was that things, post de-regulation, would look a lot different if it weren't for the RLA, IMHO.

UAL brought management to its knees not that long ago (summer of love) without a strike, and they did it 100% by the book legal. No PEB or management threat could stop them. The RLA sucks but there are other means available, and in many cases more effective.

 

[hoover]

UAL brought management to its knees not that long ago (summer of love) without a strike, and they did it 100% by the book legal. No PEB or management threat could stop them. The RLA sucks but there are other means available, and in many cases more effective.

And three years later they gave it all back and more. Market forces can't be ignored.

 

[HAL]

I can't tell you for sure about 1977, but my father retired from United in 1973, a senior Capt. on the 747, and was making around $50K. In 1975 or '76 I saw a paper that showed them making $66K per year, so I think the $125K figure for '77 is a little inflated. But as PCL 128 said, the E & FA department at ALPA would be your best bet for the exact info.

HAL

 

[Hobiehawker]

I am almost certain that an A scale MD-80 Captain at AA earned $140,000 a year in 1993.