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Much more of my time is spent supporting the wives on their new board and participating in discussions of issues that affect ALL NJ families, on the new "breath of fresh air" StrongUnion board, where spouses are warmly welcomed btw, than is spent here. I participated in that move to the new board, Hawkered. I was asked directly by SU to help spread the word, which I gladly did. Many logged on together to pack up our posts, sweep out the threads, and vacate the premises. We left the place--#284--neat and clean and will be asking the "landlord" for our "deposits" back. It was another awesome show of unity! We worked together. I called and emailed wives and then watched their posts disappear from the screen. The wives board was full of activity and energy til the wee hours. One of our leaders logged on w/regular updates as the new board was set up.

There's a fresh, Strong (Union) wind blowing in NetJets today..........NJW
 
Definitely! I wandered through there alone the other night--on a dare--and got quite a chill looking at the Moderators list. Nothing but one name, repeated over and over. Feeling distinctly uneasy, I stopped to read the new rules. I must confess, I turned and ran just halfway through the list.
 
netjetwife said:
Much more of my time is spent supporting the wives on their new board and participating in discussions of issues that affect blah...blah...blah..
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Please indulge us. Besides sitting on your butt in a chair in front of the computer 28 hours a day, day in, day out, ...what do you really think you are accomplishing?

It is amazing that you think being on this forum is WORK, and that your posts are making a difference. LOL!

netjetwife said:
There's a fresh, Strong (Union) wind blowing in NetJets today..........NJW
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Oh there is a strong wind blowing, but it sure ain't fresh.

netjetwife said:
Definitely! I wandered through there alone the other night--on a dare--and got quite a chill looking at the Moderators list. Nothing but one name, repeated over and over. Feeling distinctly uneasy, I stopped to read the new rules. I must confess, I turned and ran just halfway through the list.
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You have got to be the most melodramatic, delusional internet poster we've seen yet.

Please... continue...

Scary..

Les Paul
 
Take your seniority list. Go to the 50% individual on that list and look at the deal from his perspective. What does this TA look like from his pay standpoint and what is going to change...... All above him are getting a better deal than that.

Forget the bottom 25% -- not important. In the 25% above that, you need some votes to make up for the small number above the 50% that will vote for.
 
Publishers said:
Take your seniority list. Go to the 50% individual on that list and look at the deal from his perspective. What does this TA look like from his pay standpoint and what is going to change...... All above him are getting a better deal than that.

Forget the bottom 25% -- not important. In the 25% above that, you need some votes to make up for the small number above the 50% that will vote for.
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I guess that's one of the most outstanding characteristics of the proposed TA, Publisher. It sucks from all perspectives, regardless where one is on the list.
 
Rajflyboy, my husband flies the Excel--one of the 116 FO/FOs that will get bypass pay in Dec. WAY TO GO GUYS!

Publisher, I'm looking at the TA paychart as we "speak". Class 2 paychart stops at year 10; Class 3 at year 14; and Class 4 at year 15. So much for the seniority theory...:( Their loyalty is "rewarded" with the same slap in the face that the other pilots would get--for some it would just take longer to get there.

Again, I must echo what the others have pointed out. Pay is not the only problem. That warning had been called out by plenty of the senior pilots who were afraid that those making less would grab at a raise, no matter how small, and stick everyone with a flawed (start to finish) TA. They are resting easy these days, and biding their time with everyone else. We (pilots AND spouses) all know the TA is going down!
 
Rfb, we have thanked them several times on both the pilots' and wives' boards. I'd like to extend my appreciation to any of them reading this board, as well. Please, next time you speak to your friends, express my gratitude, which goes far beyond the pay raise. The morale boost and unity it conveyed had positive repercussions throughout the pilotforce.
 
Publishers said:
Take your seniority list. Go to the 50% individual on that list and look at the deal from his perspective. What does this TA look like from his pay standpoint and what is going to change...... All above him are getting a better deal than that.

Forget the bottom 25% -- not important. In the 25% above that, you need some votes to make up for the small number above the 50% that will vote for.
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I am in top 20%... The vote is NO.... It sucks.... We are looking at a 90% NO vote....
 
gunfyter said:
We are looking at a 90% NO vote....
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I don't know if I'd say that... I don't think that the TA will pass, but I doubt it will be a 90% no vote. This is just based on the opinions I have heard from some of the NJA pilots on the road recently....unsolicited...so who knows how many really feel that it's a "decent contract", as I heard a few guys put it.

I'm guessing closer to 65-70%. A buddy of mine with NJA thinks it will pass, even though he is 100% against it....I hope he's wrong.
 
FracCapt, it may not be well known that the other, some say Dark, side is running a disinformation campaign. My husband, who wears SU identification, was approached recently by some pilots that were concerned by things they'd heard, and didn't like, about SU's plans. My husband knew these reports/rumors were false. The failed MEC doesn't have a positive record to run on so they are resorting to NEGATIVE campaigning. Heelllooo?? Don't they know it makes them look even worse?

OK! We have you saying lower and Gunfyter going higher. Would you gentlemen consider a compromise of 85%? I really think we can work this out...:)
 
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One of my friends who is president and owner of an aviation company dropped by in his new Citation yesterday. He was a Netjets share owner in a Citation 7. Said it was just too expensive, no real control, service was good, but in the end he was better to get out and have his own.

All the add on's coupled with the fact that residual value because the aircraft had so many hours put on it just did not work anymore.
 
Publishers,

To each their own. The accelerated depreciation of a new aircraft can work quite well for the top dogs. I find it no surprise that the add-ons hurt, but I've got news for you.

Being broken down in central Canada, or in the Carib, will make your new sole owner friend a return client to us. How will he make his meeting on time when he calls to get MSP and they say it will be a week to get to his plane?

This is the beauty of fractional ownership. If I won powerball tomorrow, I'd buy a Citation X share through NJA. If it broke down in Barbados, one call, and they'd probably have a GV on it's way from St Martin!

The best day of sole ownership...be it a plane or boat, is the day you purchase and the second most joyful day...the day you get out from under it!

Fractional is the way to go. We have Marquis Jet Partners clients who come over, see the benefits and get hooked. It's just way too convenient.
 
I must agree with Hawk, especially if you do not fly many hours.

Being broken down in central Canada, or in the Carib, will make your new sole owner friend a return client to us. How will he make his meeting on time when he calls to get MSP and they say it will be a week to get to his plane?

This is the beauty of fractional ownership. If I won powerball tomorrow, I'd buy a Citation X share through NJA. If it broke down in Barbados, one call, and they'd probably have a GV on it's way from St Martin!

Most of that is true, but Hawk, never gotten a G-V. Have gotten a G-IV, Falcon 2000 and Falcon 900 instead of my Excel. The fact is, if you don't want to spend much mental energy or worry (obviously for a price), NJ is very convenient. Less than 2 minutes per reservation and the plane shows up. I do not have to worry about the who, what, when , where, why or how. Frac works for my family and my business, but obviously, frac is not for all.

Fly safe.
 
Anyone who would waste half a brain cell responding to ANYTHING "Publishers" has to say should have the remaining half a brain cell examined.
 
I'm going to respectfully disagree with you on that, Fdb. Many of us are aware of our unseen audience, and we use the posts of others as a vehicle to get our own message out into the open. Sometimes the negative posts work quite well for that purpose as they highlight and draw attention to our own--works for me...:)

Mr Owner, there have been some positive posts lately on the NJ/SU board regarding an unexplained increase in the frequency of owners showing their appreciation by a particular method. By husband has also shared this good fortune. Weeks ago you had told me ( he volunteered, guys) that you'd give it another try. On the chance that you may deserve some of the credit, I want to thank you and let you know that it is very much appreciated, particularly the recognition that it shows for the efforts of the flightcrew.

I'm sorry about the obscure tone of my post; I wanted to thank you but have no desire to see the thread dissolve into another battleground over the T word.
Netjetwife
 
Cover your eyes and don't look if it bothers you, Rfb...:) I'm sorry; it just occurred to me that I could have sent my thanks in a PM. Although then I'd have missed thanking any other owners that may have ______the pilots and should know that they appreciate the _______and the recognition. I'll drop the subject now.
 
Hey owner, not my business, but what do you think about the new legislation that disallows personal use of aircraft that are depreciated under business ownership at SIFL rates - from the sound of it from the lawyers on the NBAA site it will about double the price of your personal use - my owner is having to rethink things a bit.
 
Ace,

Just an opinion......... Sure, there will be a few who will trim back their personal flying but I expect not a huge amount. For most, five minutes with their tax attorney will produce new ways to recoup that loss.

Remember, ole’ Bush just quietly signed a 136 Billion dollar tax cut for the prosperous again!
 
There is no debate by he or I as to the service level they produce.
On the other hand, I had a Citation 500SP back when they first came out and the reliablity was outstanding and we sold the aircraft for more than we bought it for after a number of years.
I do not think we missed a flight for unscheduled maintenance in three years.
Trust me, he love it when the Gulfstream showed up versus the Citation but in the end he is a business man and money is money.
 
Thanks for the support! Where were you when I was accused of "degrading the profession"?....:)


Seriously, opinions like that astounded me, and from pilots no less! The lack of self-worth, exhibited by some, never ceases to amaze me. Rfb, if those guys start throwing rotten vegetables again...I'm ducking!...after all...YOU'RE the one who said the Tword....not me...lol....I used ______s and a "T". LOL

My son has hockey this morning, and that always makes us miss his dad --he seems to miss more than he's here for---my "Best Man" used to coach a team and I know he misses it. Attention all my critics! NJW is Really going to whine..lol..I'm terrible at putting on M's skates...all those laces...all have to be pulled just right...very tight...all those other dads...doing it so fast...M and I missing his dad. If his wages supported the sacrifice (not mine, HIS this time) it'd be worth it. But currently they don't! In the TA they wouldn't! My family will only continue with this lifestyle IF, in the new contract, wages do. NJW
 
netjetwife said:
My son has hockey this morning, and that always makes us miss his dad --he seems to miss more than he's here for---my "Best Man" used to coach a team and I know he misses it. Attention all my critics! NJW is Really going to whine..lol..I'm terrible at putting on M's skates...all those laces...all have to be pulled just right...very tight...all those other dads...doing it so fast...M and I missing his dad. If his wages supported the sacrifice (not mine, HIS this time) it'd be worth it. NJW
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I think it is incredibly admirable that you are taking your boy to hockey and supporting him, especially when his dad is out flying, and cannot be there. That is a tough thing on children whose parents travel for a profession, and good parents make that work... and you obviously are making that work.

Your son is very fortunate to have a mom that cares like you. Many more parents can use you as an example in that endeavor.

Les Paul
 

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