Anti-union letter from the IPJB.

[Sailpilot]

Do you ever see a HAWK fly with others? No, they usually fly alone... My kids pointed out what they said was a buzzard yesterday, but have you ever seen one fly alone? It was a hawk. Up there, all alone, stalking his prey. You see, they kill their prey-- buzzards only go after something already run over, like an armadillo...

I'm disheartened by what this union drive times two has done to this young company. No matter what happens, you're not going to unite this company of refugees with an organization (ALPA) that did not save their plight in the past. Sell it any way you want, but posts like your's only show the true colors of what didn't happen only a year ago when you didn't sell it then...

So you are a Hawk soaring above and preying on your fellow jetblue pilots!? Wow, I'm glad we will get ALPA to protect our pilots not only from Management, but also "Hawks" like you...

Next time I take you to Cancun and you stop up to say "hi", I'll know you are just looking for "Prey"!? Um, Gay much?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

For those of you that are wondering:

The IPJB is version 2 of the BoBs or "Band of Blue"...

...our ladder climbing union busters who think that asking for a reasonable package of pay and benefits would hurt our competitive edge and are oh-so-happy to help our executive leadership team earn huge bonuses for keeping the unions off the property.

Many of you may still keep the original Band of Blue list (that they so eagerly published along with a list of pro-union pilots) but my guess is the list of BoBs has shrunk considerably.

Soon there will be just a few lone hawks circling gracefully in the sky as they defend truth, justice, and the American way.

What does the IPJB guys get for helping management?

 

[Regul8r]

Sigh. This is getting tiring. Why did AirTran merge with ALPA?

and ALPA was as big of a paper tiger as the in-house. Still no contract...just talk

The point is...don't rely soley on the claims of the ALPA snake oil salesmen...adjust your expectations accordingly.

 

[rayford steele]

and ALPA was as big of a paper tiger as the in-house. Still no contract...just talk

The point is...don't rely soley on the claims of the ALPA snake oil salesmen...adjust your expectations accordingly.

Welcome to yesterday:


AirTran Airways and Air Line Pilots Association Reach Tentative Agreement

Companies:AirTran Holdings Inc.
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Press Release Source: AirTran Airways On Thursday October 21, 2010, 4:50 pm EDT
ORLANDO, Fla., Oct. 21 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc., (NYSE:AAI - News) today announced it has reached a tentative agreement on terms of a new five-year pilot collective bargaining agreement with the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA). *****AirTran Airways has more than 1,700 pilots represented by ALPA.

The tentative agreement will go before the airline's pilots for a ratification vote over the next 30 days. If ratified, the collective bargaining agreement would take effect December 1, 2010. *****The tentative agreement calls for increased compensation, improved benefits and enhancements to productivity. *****Specific terms of the agreement will not be released.

"We are pleased to reach a tentative agreement with the pilots," said Bob Fornaro, AirTran Airways' chairman, president and chief executive officer. "We have negotiated an agreement that will reward our pilots for their hard work while still allowing the airline to maintain our low-cost structure."

AirTran Airways is a Fortune 1000 company and has been ranked the number one low cost carrier in the Airline Quality Rating study for the past three years. *****AirTran Airways is the only major airline with Gogo Inflight Internet on every flight and offers coast-to-coast service on North America's newest all-Boeing fleet. Our low-cost, high-quality product also includes assigned seating, Business Class and complimentary XM Satellite Radio on every flight. To book a flight, visit www.airtran.com.



Media Contacts: *****
AirTran Airways

Christopher White

Cynthia Tinsley-Douglas

678.254.7442 *****

 

[j41driver]

why in the world does anyone think that ALPA is a better choice than an in-house union? One word: Southwest. Enough said

Here's another one: AirTran.

SWA's pilot union works because they have management that values the pilots as employees and promotes a good relationship. When SWAPA President Carl Kuwitzky spoke with our union (NPA) leadership prior to us becoming ALPA he agreed that an in house union would not work at SWA if they had the type of management that we have at AirTran.

Good luck to all of you @ JB!

 

[Regul8r]

Welcome to yesterday:


AirTran Airways and Air Line Pilots Association Reach Tentative Agreement

Companies:AirTran Holdings Inc.
Related Quotes
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AAI 7.50 0.00

Press Release Source: AirTran Airways On Thursday October 21, 2010, 4:50 pm EDT
ORLANDO, Fla., Oct. 21 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- AirTran Airways, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, Inc., (NYSE:AAI - News) today announced it has reached a tentative agreement on terms of a new five-year pilot collective bargaining agreement with the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA). *****AirTran Airways has more than 1,700 pilots represented by ALPA.

The tentative agreement will go before the airline's pilots for a ratification vote over the next 30 days. If ratified, the collective bargaining agreement would take effect December 1, 2010. *****The tentative agreement calls for increased compensation, improved benefits and enhancements to productivity. *****Specific terms of the agreement will not be released.

"We are pleased to reach a tentative agreement with the pilots," said Bob Fornaro, AirTran Airways' chairman, president and chief executive officer. "We have negotiated an agreement that will reward our pilots for their hard work while still allowing the airline to maintain our low-cost structure."

AirTran Airways is a Fortune 1000 company and has been ranked the number one low cost carrier in the Airline Quality Rating study for the past three years. *****AirTran Airways is the only major airline with Gogo Inflight Internet on every flight and offers coast-to-coast service on North America's newest all-Boeing fleet. Our low-cost, high-quality product also includes assigned seating, Business Class and complimentary XM Satellite Radio on every flight. To book a flight, visit www.airtran.com.



Media Contacts: *****
AirTran Airways

Christopher White

Cynthia Tinsley-Douglas

678.254.7442 *****

where's the contract? I just see a TA that hasn't been ratified yet...

 

[Dave's kid]

An in-house at B6 would be a paper tiger. Our management is nothing like Southwest. The in-house drive failed and that ship has sailed.

JBPA would have been a paper tiger because the guys that created it had no idea how to organize a union. They had no plans for a strike fund, thus making JBPA essentially a paper tiger.

An in-house union, properly organized, and supported by the pilot group would be a success. I don't think our pilots should give up and roll over for ALPA so easily.

 

[nimtz]

Do you ever see a HAWK fly with others? No, they usually fly alone... My kids pointed out what they said was a buzzard yesterday, but have you ever seen one fly alone? It was a hawk. Up there, all alone, stalking his prey. You see, they kill their prey-- buzzards only go after something already run over, like an armadillo...

How many FO's have this tool on their no fly list?

 

[El Pobre]

I'm not against unions, but believe me...ALPA doesn't have your best interests at heart. Go your own way, hire third party representation and work for your own self interest. ALPA national has been one big dissapointment after another...it annoys me that we pay the ALPA CEO fat cats enormous salaries to basically screw us over. Prater is no better Frank Lorenzo.

 

[Regul8r]

I'm not against unions, but believe me...ALPA doesn't have your best interests at heart. Go your own way, hire third party representation and work for your own self interest. ALPA national has been one big dissapointment after another...it annoys me that we pay the ALPA CEO fat cats enormous salaries to basically screw us over. Prater is no better Frank Lorenzo.

To give pep talks.

Save yourselves the Money and go to a few Tony Robbins seminars...

 

[Dizel8]

An in-house union, properly organized, and supported by the pilot group would be a success. I don't think our pilots should give up and roll over for ALPA so easily.

Let us know when you start your in house drive!

 

[Dave's kid]

Let us know when you start your in house drive!

I'll be sure to let you know when I start the drive. I'll tell you this, it'll be run better than the JBPA drive.

I think it's sad the the in-house group gave up so quick. JBPA failed for a ton of reasons, not the least of which was that it was basically organized on the back of a cocktail napkin and never developed beyond that. Sorbie had a vision that he was obviously ill-equiped to execute. Most pilots, even those that supported JBPA, recognized what a mess that would have been. That's one of the main reasons it failed.

And now the pro-union group is running to the easiest, cheapest slut out there. I think the pro guys are just being cheap and lazy. They don't want to do the work necessary to run a proper in-house union.

 

[Dizel8]

They don't want to do the work necessary to run a proper in-house union.

Like I said, let us know when you start!

 

[Splert]

Like I said, let us know when you start!

I found the link to the in-house:

Pilotvaluescommittee.com.

Oh and it will be 'properly run' too. Just ask the company and they will tell you.

 

[shadesofBS]

I'll be sure to let you know when I start the drive. I'll tell you this, it'll be run better than the JBPA drive.

I think it's sad the the in-house group gave up so quick. JBPA failed for a ton of reasons, not the least of which was that it was basically organized on the back of a cocktail napkin and never developed beyond that. Sorbie had a vision that he was obviously ill-equiped to execute. Most pilots, even those that supported JBPA, recognized what a mess that would have been. That's one of the main reasons it failed.

And now the pro-union group is running to the easiest, cheapest slut out there. I think the pro guys are just being cheap and lazy. They don't want to do the work necessary to run a proper in-house union.

What are you talking about? Mike and his group had their sh#t together! They had significant input from APA and their attorneys, and SWAPA, and even ALPA. They developed a framework C&BL and a website. They conducted numerous open meetings and conference calls. They collected cards and conducted a clean vote which is more than we can say for the PVC.
They were competent and experienced and they ran as good a campaign as you can run on a shoe-string.
That effort failed because the BoBs, the Company, and snakes like you ran a counter-campaign full of lies. Did you watch the video of the BoBs trying to grill JBPA in campaign meeting? It was abundantly clear who was prepared and who was not and it was also very clear what the motive was. The BoBs and Jetblue were never interested in collaboration or understanding. They ran a negative campaign from day one.
The next in-house campaign would face exactly the same thing and it would fail again.
What we learned during the JBPA campaign is that an in-house would be doomed to failure even IF it was successfully voted in.
We have a company who is committed, with the help of Ford&Harrison and a dozen or so minions from the pilot seniority list, to fight any union effort in-house or otherwise.
SWAPA succeeds because they work for a reasonable and fair-minded company.
We do not.

 

[B6Busdriver]

where's the contract? I just see a TA that hasn't been ratified yet...

Another thread trashed by Regul8r.....thanks for contributing nothing..again.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

An airline that has a movement in progress to leave ALPA...

I guess Blue defines a "movement" as 6 guys and a P.O. box......

Scary stuff!!

 

[shadesofBS]

I guess Blue defines a "movement" as 6 guys and a P.O. box......

Scary stuff!!

Here at Jetblue, we've perfected the art of finding any usefull shred of information and putting it into the company spin machine for use against the "enemies of the state." The Jetblue propoganda machine is huge and impressive and it chugs along 24 hours a day.

The only thing DIFFERENT about Jetblue is that they manage the message more aggressively than any airline I've been associated with and they've done that from day one.

This culture is completely contrived and, as such, cannot be sustained.

When the history of this airline is written they will say that Jetblue tried but failed to capture the magic that SWA was able to achieve and maintain. The reasons will be obvious.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

:laugh: Nice Work BS.......

Time for me to head to the "Blue room" and have a "movement"!

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

I guess Blue defines a "movement" as 6 guys and a P.O. box......

Scary stuff!!

I've talked with at least 6 jumpseaters from Delta, and they have all discussed how much more appropriate it would be to have their own in-house union where their money and interests would be better served over ALPA's. So I guess I must have talked to them all!!!

It makes great sense when you have that many pilots at Delta and the new United to take your union in-house. They can afford it, they have the experience, and the money stays somewhat in their own pockets... If/when that happens, who will be left to stuff the purse of ALPA? Yup, the regionals!!! ...and of course, the 2000 pilots from Jetblue...