Another PFT.....WTF!!!

[cforst513]

i don't look at comair as PFT... it's just another big-name pilot factory. you are not buying a job when you pay to train at comair. the only thing you get paid for at comair is being a CFI, whereas with PFT they pay you like $8/hr to be a FO on a beech 1900 or something. i dunno if you want to call their "guaranteed job interview" pay for training or not, but DCA is just another GROSSLY overpriced flight school.

 

[The_Russian]

Look guys,

There is a lot of difference between buying some time in the right seat of a 121 B1900, and buying your job. The Captain PFJ program is outright buying employment. Much like other past regional PFT/PFJ jobs (CMR, Colgan, Etc....). When you sign on the line for the FO program, it is not in writing, nor implied that you have bought a job. There is no intent by the student to have a job. The training experiance is given with the intent of the student going to another regional. That is why the FO program is not considered PFJ/PFT, because you are not buying a job that you could possibly stay at as long as you want. If you are still confused, then it is only because you don't understand how we do things down here at GIA/GAA. If you are angry at us, then you obviously need to be more open minded about life, happiness, and your financial strains.

 

[PropsR4Boats]

So Russi, how long are you willing to pay for a little 121 flight time. How long do you think it'll be before Delta, AMR, etc. start asking Russi and the like to pay for a little 121 right seat time. You think the Tab express/Pan Am experiencee would pay of. I suppose your resonse to this will be...You don't care for the money you just want to fly cool airplanes. In that case I respond...crawl back up that Soviet Sh!t hole you were pulled out of and die. I want to, like you said earlier, feed my family.
Later

 

[The_Russian]

Can you read, speak, and understand the English language? It doesn't appear from your post that you can. That rant made absolutely no sense whatsoever. And for the one question that is legable:

I am not willing to pay for any more 121 time. 250 hours was enough. Now I have a job flying and I get paid for it.

Deciphered another one......hold on, here it goes...

No I don't want to "fly cool airplanes". The best flying I ever did was instructing. This airline BS just pays the bills. There is no difference to me between a 767 and a 1900 when it comes to "quality of flight". It's all the same boring straight and level.

I did what it took to get qualified for regional flying when the cards were down. It's too bad I took ahold of my career advancement. Sorry to ruin your day, obviously. You know nothing about me or GIA.

Please, keep your day job. Your writing skills suck pretty bad.

 

[s3jetman]

Hey crazy russian shut up you piece of Sh!t!!!

Just wanted to say hello,

And PCL where are you at now and how are things going?

 

[wheelsup]

There is a lot of difference between buying some time in the right seat of a 121 B1900, and buying your job. The Captain PFJ program is outright buying employment. Much like other past regional PFT/PFJ jobs (CMR, Colgan, Etc....). When you sign on the line for the FO program, it is not in writing, nor implied that you have bought a job. There is no intent by the student to have a job. The training experiance is given with the intent of the student going to another regional. That is why the FO program is not considered PFJ/PFT, because you are not buying a job that you could possibly stay at as long as you want.

You're trying to argue that because the student knows "up-front" that he/she is only getting 250 hours out of the deal, it's not buying a job. I can see that - HOWEVER - if you're getting a paycheck, you're working. Working implies that its a job. So, you plunked down $30k for 250 hours of "training"...and getting paid for it. How is that not a job?!? Call it what you want - said student is taking the place of an F/O that would normally be (at most "normal" airlines) be hired and trained on the company dime, and then paid a guranentee no matter what they're doing (flying or not). Also, if that student wasn't present in the aircraft, the aircraft would not be going on the flight - you're required to be there by law. If you and all the other gulfstreams hadn't PAID to be there - the company would've hired, trained, and paid F/O's to be there - hence, you're taking a job away. You argue that because you take the "open slots", you're not taking a job away. I ask you this - what would happen if you were not there? A paid F/O would take the flight. Again, taking a job away as the company doesn't have to hire as many F/O's and put them on reserve.

A buddy of mine just did the PFT deal at gulfstream. I lost all respect for him when he told me that. He then had the balls to try and convince me to do it! Oh, and he's upgrading to captain (your personal version of PFT).

I wonder if the flying public knew there was someone up front that was paying to be there. I bet Gulfstream's rep would go out the window....

~wheelsup

 

[PBRstreetgang]

If it doesn't work the first time, throw more money into it, and try again.

Sounds like the aviation industry allright, throw money at a losing concept.
Whats worse there will be some stupid pilot wannabe who will throw some hard-borrowed(creditcard?) money at them to encourage this kind of behavior over and over again.
PBR

 

[PropsR4Boats]

Cool Dog pic PBR.

My point Russian…uh…Aviator guy. Don’t you think that you could have scored just as good of a job without paying 30g’s, or what ever the going rate at GIA . For 30 G’s you could have gotten your CFI MEI & done that for a while. If you needed, buy a couple hours in a twin to get checked out as an instructor. You could’ve done that for a small fraction of 30g’s. Then try to get on with an Airline. If you couldn’t get on with the airline, go be a Freight Dogg for 6 mo to a year. That would’ve been lots of valuable time flying in all kinds of WX & traffic. Plus you would be qualified and respected as a Freight Dogg, Pro Pilot, that will get you a good job. We all hope you get the point Russian, even though it’s to late for you. At least you could admit your mistake to other youngsters trying to do what you did. If you haven’t seen this yet, look (listen closely). The guys posting letters of hate aimed at you, are the guys that do the hiring for the next gig you want. See? We would not hire you; your experience is not whole, not respectable, and downright irresponsible.

Would you hire an architect to build your house that just paid 30g’s for a piece of paper? No, you would hire the guy that had a very long resume, with a performance history showing competence in the subject.

 

[training]

There is a lot of difference between buying some time in the right seat of a 121 B1900, and buying your job. The Captain PFJ program is outright buying employment. Much like other past regional PFT/PFJ jobs (CMR, Colgan, Etc....). When you sign on the line for the FO program, it is not in writing, nor implied that you have bought a job. There is no intent by the student to have a job. The training experiance is given with the intent of the student going to another regional. That is why the FO program is not considered PFJ/PFT, because you are not buying a job that you could possibly stay at as long as you want. If you are still confused, then it is only because you don't understand how we do things down here at GIA/GAA. If you are angry at us, then you obviously need to be more open minded about life, happiness, and your financial strains.

Dude, Russian, do you understand how stupid you look right now. You just dont get it. You are an absolute disgrace to the aviation industry and to your family.

 

[Flechas]

Hey, but maybe the training is so fun, it doesn't matter if you have to buy your job!

 

[training]

Hey, but maybe the training is so fun, it doesn't matter if you have to buy your job!

My entire career was paid for by my mom.

 

[PropsR4Boats]

What career you only have 500 hrs? Some places wouldn't hire that kinda time to instruct!

 

[training]

What career you only have 500 hrs? Some places wouldn't hire that kinda time to instruct!

My career has eclipsed yours at 504 hours. My training was very intense and i will be upgrading to captain soon for a well known regional airline.

 

[Flechas]

My career has eclipsed yours at 504 hours. My training was very intense and i will be upgrading to captain soon for a well known regional airline.

Hahaha you keep getting better don't you?
Where was your training so intense Mr. Soon to be Captain?

 

[PropsR4Boats]

Uh sorry. We shall see. What well Known Regional Airline may I ask? Perhaps instead of cutting in on conversations and starting rumors you should look over those FARs. You may have gone over this in your intense training. A Captain for a 121/135 operator in an aircraft requiring a type (jet/+12500lb) must have an ATP certificate. Looks like your ah...994 hours away from that. How long before you get that many more radio tuning hours.