Annoying things your CA/FO does, 2011 version

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I get kind of irked by capts who are oblivious to the parking break’s position and do random stuff for 5 minutes after the main cabin door is closed. The flight is now late, and we haven’t been getting paid. Over the course of a 4 day, your negligence added up to costing us an hour of pay. Although you say you are laid back, you go on a power trip if I casually ask if you have dropped the break yet.

This same capt will usually bark reprimands at his crew for crossing seatbelts and tidying the cabin on a quick turn, because ‘we don’t do seatbelts on a quick turn.’ The reason your FO and forward flight attendant are crossing seatbelts is because we are done with the rest of our duties and have the time while we wait for the pax, but more importantly, when your FO leaves to do the walk around, you start passing gas in the flight deck, and mistakenly think that no one will be the wiser. You make the whole front of the plane smell like rotten swamp-ass. Head into the terminal bathroom for that, or heaven forbid offer to do a walk for your FO to take care of your incessant flatulents outside.

YTF are you crossing seatbelts? Perhaps you could clean the lav, too. No wonder your capt got pissed.
 

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You were a 600hr pilot once too. Experienced pilots never make any mistakes.

Sure I was. And when I was I knew enough to know I dint know crap. I instructed my way to 1,800 hours asking lots of questions and looking up tons of stuff. Then I went to an airline in a CRJ and knew I still didn't know crap. I listened and learned.

I now have around 9,000 hours and while I'm familiar with flying, there loads of crap I still don't know.

I can't imagine my 600 hour self complaining about much.

But...the point of this thread is complaining about the other guy. I guess it just rubs me wrong when I see it from so low time.
 

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But...the point of this thread is complaining about the other guy. I guess it just rubs me wrong when I see it from so low time.
TT has nothing to do with general complaints. Stinking up the cockpit once happens, doing it every leg for 4 days would annoy even a 20,000 hr pilot!




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You don't have to have thousands of hours or wear a 4th stripe for your complaints to have validity. Additionally, one shouldn't be presumed to be a "know-it-all" simply because they complain.

I was a 600hr wonder at one time, flying a jet, and had the captain repeatedly tell me how to talk on the radio - down to what to say. That was pretty annoying; the assumption that I didn't know how to talk on the radio because of my TT, with total disregard for the type & quality of flight experience I *did* have.

I kept my mouth shut and got over it...but that didn't make the captain's actions "right".
 

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Additionally, one shouldn't be presumed to be a "know-it-all" simply because they complain.

I was a 600hr wonder at one time, flying a jet, and had the captain repeatedly tell me how to talk on the radio - down to what to say. That was pretty annoying; the assumption that I didn't know how to talk on the radio because of my TT, with total disregard for the type & quality of flight experience I *did* have.

I kept my mouth shut and got over it...but that didn't make the captain's actions "right".

If your 600 was magical, and you had it all figured out, congrats. When I got to the airlines I was really good at touch and gos in a 172, pumping the gear down in an RG, and flying a Beech Travelair on One engine. Flying hard IFR with pax on the East Coast was not in my repertoire. I had 1000 hrs when I got hired into a dash. My first flight ended up being from PHL to LGA, and they may as well have been talking on the radio in Russian. I was pretty much worthless, but I wasn't delusional about where I stood, and that got me through it.

There's almost always a big disconnect between what the new guy thinks they know and how they actually apply that knowledge to the operation. I'd rather have a slow F.O. that knows it, than a little better one that thinks he's Chuck Yeager.

Oh, and it annoys the crap of me when I'm told when to drop the parking brake and where I can or can't fart.
 

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The big one for me is hand flying. New guys always seem to think it is fun to hand fly up into the mid 20's. First off I don't want to have to watch everything like a hawk. Second no one likes the ride every time you notice you are drifting left or right and you jerk it back the other way. I have been in the back of these flights and everyone is ready for you to turn on the auto pilot. I can't believe I am the only one this bugs
 

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The big one for me is hand flying. New guys always seem to think it is fun to hand fly up into the mid 20's. First off I don't want to have to watch everything like a hawk. Second no one likes the ride every time you notice you are drifting left or right and you jerk it back the other way. I have been in the back of these flights and everyone is ready for you to turn on the auto pilot. I can't believe I am the only one this bugs

Do you mention that he/she should work on being smooth? Do you demonstrate smooth and precise hand-flying on YOUR leg? Or, do you just mumble about how "unprofessional" it is to NOT use the automation 100% of the time (that is until it fails).
 

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Do you mention that he/she should work on being smooth? Do you demonstrate smooth and precise hand-flying on YOUR leg? Or, do you just mumble about how "unprofessional" it is to NOT use the automation 100% of the time (that is until it fails).

Yes I do, however there is no reason to hand fly up to 270. I don't understand the fun of it but I also let them fly the airplane they way they want to. I don't say anything to them and I don't mumble about it, it just cause me more work and can make the passengers sick. Hand fly up to 10 and maybe a little past and your are just like everyone else. Hand fly for the first 30 minutes of the flight and you you make yourself look like the FNG.
 

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Yes I do, however there is no reason to hand fly up to 270. I don't understand the fun of it but I also let them fly the airplane they way they want to. I don't say anything to them and I don't mumble about it, it just cause me more work and can make the passengers sick. Hand fly up to 10 and maybe a little past and your are just like everyone else. Hand fly for the first 30 minutes of the flight and you you make yourself look like the FNG.

Hand fly the first 30 minutes of every flight and you'll eventually look like a stud.

Let's remember our overall all goal: safe flight. Anything above and beyond that is gravy. So I don't have anything that annoys me, just bad habits I try to correct. Like not listening to the new frequency for a moment before transmitting, throttle jockying, driving the airplane to the ground, full brakes/TRs on landing on a 11,000 foot runway, briefing every detail of the approach (I won't remember the important stuff if you tell me every insignificant number you can find), not slowing for turbulence and anything that is not considerate of the passengers or safe.

In order: fly safe, fly smooth, save money.
 

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If your 600 was magical, and you had it all figured out, congrats.

Nope, my first 600hrs weren't magical and I didn't have it all figured out - never claimed to.

I *did* know how to talk on the radio when operating in the ATC system, however...
 

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It's not just FO's who suck at hand flying. Hand flying a jet up to cruise is easier than a 172 and if you really think this keeps you sharp, it doesn't. All it does is make everyone nauseous.
 

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It's not just FO's who suck at hand flying. Hand flying a jet up to cruise is easier than a 172 and if you really think this keeps you sharp, it doesn't. All it does is make everyone nauseous.

Not if you are smooth. Every aircraft can be flown smoothly and without risk of nausea with proper concentration.

Why do so many pilots raise the gear and check out? Yes, it is easier to manage the aircraft if you are verifying the autopilot is following your commands, but what do you do when the AP goes tits up at 410 and you have to hand fly until you can make your descent?

I'm not advocating violating RVSM rules, don't try to make that implication. Everyone should have the AP on when entering RVSM. But I think, in low workload departures, the pilot should hand fly from time to time to maintain their skills.
 

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Anybody that can't make papa landing on 4 in Lga in a turboprop.
 

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Yes, let's stay sharp on hand flying skills. But hand flying past 10K is rude. It forces the other guy to focus on your flying. Really, if you're 15K+ turn on the f@*king autopilot.

Also, stop passing gas...
 

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Yes, let's stay sharp on hand flying skills. But hand flying past 10K is rude. It forces the other guy to focus on your flying. Really, if you're 15K+ turn on the f@*king autopilot.

What?

As a pilot and passenger I love a good, smooth autopilot as much as the next guy, but geez, have we been so indoctrinated as systems monitors instead of aviators that people really think there's a difference between hand-flying at 5,000ft or 25,000ft?

Ernie Gann is rolling in his grave.

If one's hand-flying skills are lacking, its because they have been allowed to atrophy due to use of automation. It happens to all of us, but there's only one way to get those skills back...
 

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Yes, let's stay sharp on hand flying skills. But hand flying past 10K is rude. It forces the other guy to focus on your flying. Really, if you're 15K+ turn on the f@*king autopilot.

Also, stop passing gas...

And driving slow in the fast lane!
 

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What?

As a pilot and passenger I love a good, smooth autopilot as much as the next guy, but geez, have we been so indoctrinated as systems monitors instead of aviators that people really think there's a difference between hand-flying at 5,000ft or 25,000ft?

Ernie Gann is rolling in his grave.

If one's hand-flying skills are lacking, its because they have been allowed to atrophy due to use of automation. It happens to all of us, but there's only one way to get those skills back...


Hey dumb dumb.

Let it be known I COULD hand fly the entire flight. That not the point. When I hand fly the other guy has to watch my every move. Altitude, heading, speed...you get the idea. With the AP on he can relax and monitor like he should.

Hand fly to 1K to 10K or so and turn the effing auto pilot on. It's easy and professional. If you need to practice hand flying to the flight levels then you have a problem and should just resign. Otherwise man up and turn the AP on and give the other guy a much needed break. After all, he's been flying with you for 5 days...
 
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