Anderson to align capacity with demand

[FDJ2]

I believe it is his presentation.

That's what I thought, another waste of time and dues money.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Lol.

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[FDJ2]

He is right. If you are counting on LM and the current MEC to hold the line on scope, you are living in a dream world.

Lee Moak's term will be up in another year and a half I believe. In either case, prior to section six negotiations. The remainder of his term will most likely focus on putting two pilot groups together, not negotiating scope.

Our pilot groups have changed and so have our priorities. Few are around who will sell everything for their precious DB promisary note. A larger percentage than ever see the RJ for what it is, replacement flying for the narrow bodied fleet. We've witnessed the absurdity of furloughing mainline pilots while the company replaces them with pilot puppy mill graduates at the DCI potfolio. We've witnessed the greed, pettiness and arrogance of some of DCI portfolio pilots when they attempted to leverage furloughed pilots for more scope concessions, while simultaneously suing to eliminate scope. Two recent scope related resolutions past at LEC 44 against the wishes of some entrenched MEC insiders, the last one overwhelmingly. The details of the resolutions aren't as important as the shot across the bow. It ought to serve as a wake up call. We have a different perspective then we've had in the past. With the LEC elections coming between now and Section six, I expect that the reps will be less inclined to follow the lead of 777 and 767ER captains who have apparently little interest in defending flying that is below their seniority number. Rant over.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Lee Moak's term will be up in another year and a half I believe. In either case, prior to section six negotiations. The remainder of his term will most likely focus on putting two pilot groups together, not negotiating scope.

Our pilot groups have changed and so have our priorities. Few are around who will sell everything for their precious DB promisary note. A larger percentage than ever see the RJ for what it is, replacement flying for the narrow bodied fleet. We've witnessed the absurdity of furloughing mainline pilots while the company replaces them with pilot puppy mill graduates at the DCI potfolio. We've witnessed the greed, pettiness and arrogance of some of DCI portfolio pilots when they attempted to leverage furloughed pilots for more scope concessions, while simultaneously suing to eliminate scope. Two recent scope related resolutions past at LEC 44 against the wishes of some entrenched MEC insiders, the last one overwhelmingly. The details of the resolutions aren't as important as the shot across the bow. It ought to serve as a wake up call. We have a different perspective then we've had in the past. With the LEC elections coming between now and Section six, I expect that the reps will be less inclined to follow the lead of 777 and 767ER captains who have apparently little interest in defending flying that is below their seniority number. Rant over.

Amen!

Sounds like you might be running for FO rep!

 

[Fly4hire]

FDJ2,

Well said, however we must remain ever vigilant to LOA's or MOU's that might somehow trade a quid here for a Scope pro there. Recall the last MOU was all but signed sealed and delivered before the MEC Reps were briefed.

When the MEC "receives"; resolutions regarding Scope, without taking action, even when it is simply a request to examine, it is an indicator of the prevailing sentiment.

PS: We need a lot more ranting.....

 

[michael707767]

I expect that the reps will be less inclined to follow the lead of 777 and 767ER captains who have apparently little interest in defending flying that is below their seniority number. Rant over.

It's not the reps I worry about. I thought that arrogant prick O"Malley could barely hide his disgust for the line pilots who wanted to know what is going on with scope. He seems like the kind of guy who will ignore any resolutions because he thinks he is smarter than the line pilots.

 

[General Lee]

Lee Moak's term will be up in another year and a half I believe. In either case, prior to section six negotiations. The remainder of his term will most likely focus on putting two pilot groups together, not negotiating scope.

Our pilot groups have changed and so have our priorities. Few are around who will sell everything for their precious DB promisary note. A larger percentage than ever see the RJ for what it is, replacement flying for the narrow bodied fleet. We've witnessed the absurdity of furloughing mainline pilots while the company replaces them with pilot puppy mill graduates at the DCI potfolio. We've witnessed the greed, pettiness and arrogance of some of DCI portfolio pilots when they attempted to leverage furloughed pilots for more scope concessions, while simultaneously suing to eliminate scope. Two recent scope related resolutions past at LEC 44 against the wishes of some entrenched MEC insiders, the last one overwhelmingly. The details of the resolutions aren't as important as the shot across the bow. It ought to serve as a wake up call. We have a different perspective then we've had in the past. With the LEC elections coming between now and Section six, I expect that the reps will be less inclined to follow the lead of 777 and 767ER captains who have apparently little interest in defending flying that is below their seniority number. Rant over.

I think I KNOW WHO I WILL BE VOTING FOR NEXT TIME AROUND......FDJ2 for President........OF THE WORLD. Amen!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It's not the reps I worry about. I thought that arrogant prick O"Malley could barely hide his disgust for the line pilots who wanted to know what is going on with scope. He seems like the kind of guy who will ignore any resolutions because he thinks he is smarter than the line pilots.

And he works at the bequest of the MEC and Moak!

 

[FDJ2]

FDJ2,

When the MEC "receives"; resolutions regarding Scope, without taking action, even when it is simply a request to examine, it is an indicator of the prevailing sentiment.

PS: We need a lot more ranting.....

That sentiment will change. It's beginning to change as we speak. While some didn't want scope on the radar, it is now. Rants are good, but we need more than rants, we need activism, we need to attend LEC meetings and question our reps, demand answers and transparency, pass resolutions and let the powers that be know that we at least are not asleep at the switch.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Better yet, lets make sure that we get people in the electable positions that realize what is stake, when we use scope as bargaining credit.

 

[Fly4hire]

FDJ2, ACL,

We have to impress upon our MEC leadership that they work for, take direction from, and are accountable to, the line pilots as our elected representatives. My observation of our MEC is that it is very top-down. I don't see much two-way communication and when the LEC's pass resolutions the MEC does not care for they are dismissed as the efforts of a few activist single issue malcontents not representative of the pilot group.

We are a bottom-up organization by design, but this MEC, as many others have before them, has partially lost sight of that fact The C44 meeting may have been a shot across the bow, however are they listening??

Watch their feet, not their lips.....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Fly4;

You know I am. It is also true that you will never please 100% of the base. That said. I agree that effective and timely communication is key. When it is covered under a NDA, say so. When you screw up, say so. Do not make excuses, as it gives no one the ability to move on.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Go read the all pilot memo
777 NRT flight out of ATL gone
ATL-JFK gone!

 

[FDJ2]

FDJ2, ACL,

We have to impress upon our MEC leadership that they work for, take direction from, and are accountable to, the line pilots as our elected representatives. My observation of our MEC is that it is very top-down. I don't see much two-way communication and when the LEC's pass resolutions the MEC does not care for they are dismissed as the efforts of a few activist single issue malcontents not representative of the pilot group.

We are a bottom-up organization by design, but this MEC, as many others have before them, has partially lost sight of that fact The C44 meeting may have been a shot across the bow, however are they listening??

Watch their feet, not their lips.....

The C44 resolution is a shot across the bow, if others follow, it becomes a broadside. If the MEC isn't listening, cut them out of the picture, go directly to your LEC. Demand it from them, while they are not bound by a resolution, they ignore them at great risk. Eventually every LEC is putting out a scope report, the MEC is then forced to either get involved or become marginalized. Believe me, they'll get the picture.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I had the opportunity to give a Wilson Polling rep an earful the other day. I made it clear that scope was my biggest concern.

Unfortunately for every pilot like me there's another who only cares about captain rates.

In any event, here's hoping it will make it to the MEC in one form or another.

 

[Fly4hire]

Anyone hear what the latest numbers are on the PRIP? And from S at all?

 

[General Lee]

Anyone hear what the latest numbers are on the PRIP? And from S at all?

In the ATL crew lounge I saw on the Deltamatic plasma TV that stated over 60 have taken the PRIP. It sure would be nice if they pumped up the offer a bit and got a few hundred. The 3 month medical thing was just dumb. It should be a couple years at least.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Meiguy]

In the ATL crew lounge I saw on the Deltamatic plasma TV that stated over 60 have taken the PRIP. It sure would be nice if they pumped up the offer a bit and got a few hundred. The 3 month medical thing was just dumb. It should be a couple years at least.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I thought I saw in the crew lounge that it was up to 84 on the plasma as of July 1.

 

[General Lee]

I thought I saw in the crew lounge that it was up to 84 on the plasma as of July 1.

Good, I have been off for a few days and haven't seen the new total. I suspect more of the NWA senior guy's wives are pushing them not to become the next 60 year old Captain to fall asleep in the seat and never wake up. Take the money, buy a lake house in Minnesota or a condo in FLA and sail away with great retirement S3B passes that may get you somewhere in October.....(only)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Browntothebone]

I had the opportunity to give a Wilson Polling rep an earful the other day. I made it clear that scope was my biggest concern.

Unfortunately for every pilot like me there's another who only cares about captain rates.

In any event, here's hoping it will make it to the MEC in one form or another.

If your management was smart, they would offer $300/hr for 747/777 Captain in exchange for DCI flying everything 100 seats and below. You know the greedy pilots would ratify it. ALPA could claim victory and raising the bar in pay. It would be cheap for the company as a very few pilots would actually get $300/hr while at the same time, the company gets cheap rates for everything 100 seats and below since they would be flown by DCI.