And done .....

[gunfyter]

So as long as we've got no mirror shortage they needn't worry about a thing.

 

[pilotyip]

Ha! What "ab initio" program?

They'll just go back to hiring anyone who can fog a mirror like they once did..

Wonder how some of the senior guys got hired in the first place?

you mean like 15 years ago?

 

[ghostrider64]

G4 you're a complete turd.

You say "the market is why we'll be paid more". I got news for you dork, if and when we get a pay raise it will be entirely due to the unionists you despise. However you'll be the one saying we got because old guys are leaving the industry. Christ you're and idiot.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Christ you're and idiot.

You lose just a teensy-weensy bit of credibility when you post something like this while calling somebody ELSE an idiot.

Jusssssssss sayin'

 

[ghostrider64]

You lose just a teensy-weensy bit of credibility when you post something like this while calling somebody ELSE an idiot.

Jusssssssss sayin'

Maybe to those that are easily offended by THE TRUTH.

I'm pretty sure my record is 99.9% accurate thus far. I'm happy to keep company with those that share that kind of accuracy. Idiots be us all.

As for the pre scab aka "the scratch", he's never had any credibility to lose.

Jussss sayin

 

[wacoflyr]

I think he was referring to your grammar, which is not 99.9% accurate.

 

[G4dude]

G4 you're a complete turd.

You say "the market is why we'll be paid more". I got news for you dork, if and when we get a pay raise it will be entirely due to the unionists you despise. However you'll be the one saying we got because old guys are leaving the industry. Christ you're and idiot.

You comprehend with the same proficiency as you spell and construct sentences. I am just saying the shortage will help our negotiators. That's all. Not denigrating the union at all.

 

[gutshotdraw]

I think he was referring to your grammar, which is not 99.9% accurate.

Exactamundo.

 

[ghostrider64]

Sorry, I'm a product of the Texas public school system. They never really cared much about spelling or sentence structure. They were/are more interested in teaching folks to speak clearly, with integrity, and remembering the Alamo.

 

[Mooneymite]

Sorry, I'm a product of the Texas public school system. They never really cared much about spelling or sentence structure. They were/are more interested in teaching folks to speak clearly, with integrity, and remembering the Alamo.

I take it that LBJ and a lot of the other Texas policicians somehow missed those classes, but learned to spell.

Interesting.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Sorry, I'm a product of the Texas public school system. They never really cared much about spelling or sentence structure. They were/are more interested in teaching folks to speak clearly, with integrity, and remembering the Alamo.

I was lucky enough to attend private school so I can do both....

 

[fischman]

Thanks for posting. I'd also emphasize the slide at 4.00 of the presentation. The head of the union points out there that they got their industry leading contract in 2000, and then had to quickly agree to concessions after 9/11. They now want a contract that is tied to profit sharing and the overall health of the company. This is a smart move that we would be wise to replicate.

Everyone wants the pilots to be paid fairly. They also want the company to be viable well into the future. Tying a piece of the employee compensation to how well the company is doing is a good way to accomplish this. Both groups interests are aligned and everyone is working towards making the company better and more profitable.

You must really think we're stupid. There is NO WAY 1) Pedro will put out a TA with profit sharing in it. 2) The pilot's would vote yes for it.

Management has a trust issue, in that the employees don't trust them. It is evidenced in this thread when someone suggested we have to have full access to the books, and someone else mentioned being able to see through all the smoke.

If management wants us to trust them, here's how they start:

1) Bring back the hostages.

2) Give the union access to iJet.

3) Stop the PRB harassment.

4) Delete the policy manual.

Profit sharing is an automatic NO vote. I want my money NOW.

 

[Semore Butts]

Uh, yeah, no.

I'm with Fischman.

We never saw a dime of the big fuel saving incentives.

Beyond the business we have to conduct with management, their earning our trust back will take a long long time.

They have a huge task ahead of them beyond us. Regaining owners trust, getting our maintenance back on track, repairing the embarrassing way they treated our vendors, buying new aircraft to include somehow getting back with Gulfstream.

After that, maybe.

Take care, Semore

 

[T-1GUY]

Hansell and his management team screwed a lot of people over the past four years.

That mountain is steep...

 

[CA1900]

Hansell and his management team screwed a lot of people over the past four years.

That mountain is steep...

It's OK, though, they're bringing that same management team back.

 

[imacdog]

Profit sharing, when the company keeps the books to themselves?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMzdtFknWYM

 

[gutshotdraw]

It's OK, though, they're bringing that same management team back.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Shane and Billy left the first time around because Hansell wasn't letting them screw the pilots enough?

Or do you think they left because they were sick to their stomach over what the Boy Wonder was doing to the employees, customers, and brand name of a once-great company?

I'm willing to give them some time to right the ship. They have a LONG way to go to rebuild any sense of trust with the pilot group but I KNOW that neither one would have agreed to come back without being given the authority to actually FIX it this time.

They're on a short leash but I won't spank the dog until it pees on the floor.

 

[CA1900]

They're on a short leash but I won't spank the dog until it pees on the floor.

I hope you're right. I need to see more than just actions at the bargaining table, though. There needs to be a wholesale change in the way this company relates to its employees if it's going to be a place we want to stay. Getting rid of that Ohio State group-think would go a long way towards that!

 

[gutshotdraw]

No argument here.

 

[G4dude]

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Shane and Billy left the first time around because Hansell wasn't letting them screw the pilots enough?

Or do you think they left because they were sick to their stomach over what the Boy Wonder was doing to the employees, customers, and brand name of a once-great company?

I'm willing to give them some time to right the ship. They have a LONG way to go to rebuild any sense of trust with the pilot group but I KNOW that neither one would have agreed to come back without being given the authority to actually FIX it this time.

They're on a short leash but I won't spank the dog until it pees on the floor.

Exactamundo.