An apology to Scenic Airlines.

[AWACoff]

Just because a pilot group is too disorganized to vote in a union does not mean they don't need one. I am struggling to find the logic in your statement. The fact is, the company IS furloughing out of seniority even if it is only one person. That's what unions are for. I'm sure the last guy to get furloughed due to them keeping the junior check airman would have appreciated them furloughing completely by seniority. On the flipside, this is a very bad time to be bad mouthing your own company and compromising your job. There aren't even many CFI jobs available much less employment at an airline like Scenic. Maybe everybody can get together and have one big Oprah moment...?

 

[incognito]

Wake up!

To de727ups:

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that any damaging remarks can adversely affect a company. It's even worse when the remarks are misinformation, disinformation, half-truths, or outright lies.

We are nothing without our reputation, which is initially based on first impression. Though fleeting, first impressions endure in the minds of would-be customers, clients, vendors, or business partners--whose only knowledge of the company may come from bogus statements made in the news, in the paper, or on some Internet bulletin board.

Consider the position of those responsible for awarding EAS contracts. Or what about the chief pilot who's thinking of penning a jumpseat agreement? Or how about a potential company investor? How many of them would want to enter any business agreement with a company that will "not be around to see next summer the way things are going now," according to self-proclaimed Scenic employee VORIMO?

Or would they want to do business with an airline when someone like DesertFalcon proclaims, "I don't recommend that anyone become employed by this company. If, you did get a job, next year, your employment life would be unpredictable"?

Or how about when a potential investor reads that "one bad [management] decision cost the company $750,000 recently."

Each of these statements is a flat-out lie, but an outsider doesn't know that. Taken together, such lies could make one not even want put in the effort it would take to seek the truth.

That alone is reason enough for each person employed by a company to pick the right forum to effect change. And this ain't it!

To AWAcoff:

Unions are not the be-all and end-all of employee/employer relations. While the majors may be able to afford all the union's demands (and that certainly remains to be seen), small companies can't.

Many majors don't furlough at all if the furlough will likely last fewer than six months. Why? The cost to retrain all the pilots that the contract says must be shuffled around as a result is staggering. It costs less to crew and fly empty airplanes for six months.

A small company can't afford that kind of financial burden, and they shouldn't have to.

You did get one thing right though: "this is a very bad time to be bad mouthing your own company and compromising your job." Like it or not, replacements are lined up out the door and around the corner, waiting to take your place.

So I'll keep my petty complaints to myself and thank God that (1) I have job; (2) I work for a great company with excellent (though imperfect) flight operations management, outstanding maintenance, and fun aircraft to fly; and (3) these small-minded, short-sighted, self-absorbed whiners don't have the backbone to peddle this crap at work.

 

[DesertFalcon]

I have a question?


I have apologized, I have deleted my original thread, to help stop the controversy, and, I am trying to smooth things over with the company.

Why is someone, obviously from Scenic, reposting comments from the deleted thread?

This is not improving the companies the situation, Is it?

Suggestion: Why don't we just let this topic die a peaceful death?

"Can't we all just get along"?
- Rodney King-

"He who dares not offend cannot be honest.
*Thomas Paine {1737-1809 American Political Philosopher)

 

[Dieterly]

incognito

incognito, Spend your time saving your airline, instead of waisting valuable time posting on the net.

 

[DHCaptain]

The End

first off, DesertFalcon, sometimes “I’m sorry” just doesn’t cut it. You chose to libel your company. Noone here forced you to push your own special brand of manure. And no one here asked that it be sent via “global” email to every company email address. Maybe you weren’t the one to do that, but you sure got the ball rolling—and how! This is your comeuppance.

Maybe next time, you’ll worry whether or not we can “all just get along” before you start a thread. Maybe next time, what you write will be “claimed to be absolutely factual,” otherwise why write? Maybe next time, you—like Thomas Paine—will first consider being “honest” before daring “to offend.”

This will be my last post on this tired subject because…

“When you argue with a fool, there are two fools arguing.”—Anonymous

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Don't think you can spread trash and hide behind the Bill of Rights. (That's why it's illegal to shout "jump" to someone on a building ledge.) Use your brain!

 

[Brother Francis]

Loose lips sink ships.

Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice.

A closed mouth gathers no foot

A closed mouth is oft misunderstood, but never misquoted

Never post to the internet when drunk or angry.

When in doubt, don't

 

[JayDub]

DesertFalcon,


I have yet to read a single item you wrote that I found to be offensive. If I can help you find any leads on a job, please let me know. It may not be much, but it's everything I have to offer.



JayDub


Remember, freedom of speech isn't to protect that with which you agree.

 

[rumpletumbler]

So did you really lose your job over this?

RT

 

[FlyinBrian]

It sounds like DesertFalcon did something irresponsible out of legitimate frustration. Then somebody emailed it to everyone in the company which hurt a lot of feelings, and someome demanded a head on the chopping block.

Even if everything he said was an outright lie, I think this situation calls for leniency. I doubt very much that the comments here have caused lasting harm to anything other than some people's egos. I second the poster that called for a big Oprah moment.

A pilot getting fired for spouting his mouth off in frustration would be a clear demonstration of why a union may be needed. This kind of overreaction would not be tolerated at a union carrier. That is coming from a pilot who beleives that the best situation is a relationship between labor and management that doesn't require a union. These are the kinds of things that drive labor groups to unionization.

 

[trainerjet]

Re: The End

first off, DesertFalcon, sometimes “I’m sorry” just doesn’t cut it. You chose to libel your company. Noone here forced you to push your own special brand of manure. And no one here asked that it be sent via “global” email to every company email address. Maybe you weren’t the one to do that, but you sure got the ball rolling—and how! This is your comeuppance.

Maybe next time, you’ll worry whether or not we can “all just get along” before you start a thread. Maybe next time, what you write will be “claimed to be absolutely factual,” otherwise why write? Maybe next time, you—like Thomas Paine—will first consider being “honest” before daring “to offend.”

This will be my last post on this tired subject because…

“When you argue with a fool, there are two fools arguing.”—Anonymous

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Don't think you can spread trash and hide behind the Bill of Rights. (That's why it's illegal to shout "jump" to someone on a building ledge.) Use your brain!

If DHCaptain is indicative of the type of people they have at Scenic, all I can say is "thank God I have a job SOME PLACE ELSE!!!!"

But apparently, he is not alone. The same thing goes for whomever felt the need to send DesertFalcon's original post via "global email to every company email address". Must be a great atmosphere you guys work in.

 

[FlyinBrian]

It's slightly off topic, but as a political science major, I have to point this out:

The first amendment is totally irrelevant in this case. The Constitution of the United States applies to the federal government only. Through the fourteenth amendment's due process clause, the limitations in the bill of rights have also been applied to state and local government.

The first amendment does not prohibit your employer from limiting your speech. Your employer can tell you that you cannot say anything bad about the company ever, and it is totally legal. They can fire you for non-compliance.

Certainly freedom of speech is an American value that we expect a virtuous employer to recognize, but no private company is bound by the first amendment. This situation is entirely different than yelling "jump!" To a person on a bridge or yelling "fire" in a crowed theatre. DesertFalcon did nothing to endanger the immediate physical well-being of anyone else.

He exaggerated because he was frustrated. He apologized. If you wish to fire him, it is your right as his employer, but It seems to me that the way to keep employees from saying negative things about the company is not to fire every employee who speaks his mind. This only strengthens the resentment that other employees may feel. Anyway, best of luck to DesertFalcon and to Scenic. I hope you find a mutually agreeable settlement that does not involve a firing.

 

[Jetsnake]

I worked for Scenic and thought for a 135/121
place it was rather fun.

The best part was hearing the Frog's YAK up a
Navajo taco after leaving Monument Valley only
to see a passenger with a bean and piece of lettuce
hanging out there snowt.

"Whatever happened to Costanzsa?"