Amerijet Strike

[rattler]

Dig in guys, it was nice meeting you all today. Stay strong and you will overcome!

Your union brothers from CAL.

 

[Metro752]

Have any scabs seen the light?

 

[superatr]

The pilots and flight engineers of Amerijet, represented by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 769, have not yet contacted ALPA for support in the strike.

Why didn't the IBT contact ALPA? It seems like a basic first step.

 

[cfire]

Any support from ALPA National will only be in the form of vague press releases. Nothing of substance. The real support will be from individual ALPA councils and pilots. Prater will do nothing more than try to save face in the public view. I believe the letter demanded is just an excuse and is not done by ALPA itself when they have a strike. Many other unions just came when the Teamsters announcement came out. APA, SWAP, individual ALPA councils to name a few.

This ALPA National angst is mostly over Atlas decertification of ALPA and move to Teamsters. The Atlas crews choice was sue for Duty of Fair representation or decertify ALPA over lack of representation in a long ongoing merger and catering only to one group. Atlas chose decertification since it was cheaper and quicker. Prater considered this poaching on his turf (about 800 guys) by the Teamsters and Airline Director Dave Bourne in particular. It wasn't though, it was Prater not taking care of things and not keeping promises to the Atlas council. Prater needs to get over himself and get back to being a trade unionist.

Enough of the blame game now. Go down and walk the picket line and/or put some money in the strike fund kitty. In the end, we are all individually "the union" whether it's name is Teamsters, ALPA, APA, or others.

 

[Fly Astar Jets]

Well said cfire.

At this stage of the game, the Individule with their support is more powerful than the Group with their platitudes. These grudges are child like and serve no one.

All of us at the the grass root level have to support AJT pilots.

FAJ

 

[carl p]

Here is a link to donate to the Amerijet guys via PayPal. Good luck guys/gals! Scroll down the page.

www.teamsters-local769.com

 

[ualdriver]

The support from pilots across the country has been tremendous. Management is expecting these poor guys to cave in when they don't get paychecks tomorrow. They are tougher than that; but $100 bucks a week strike pay won't go far.

A PayPal account has been set up for contributions. ALL the money will go to the crewmembers. Please add your support in any way you can. 60 pilots and flight engineers are standing up to management for all of us.

Any amount would really be appreciated. And it will make it clear to a ****ant management that regardless of the size of the carrier, pilots stand together.

To contribute, go to www.teamsters-local769.com and scroll down to the link.

Teamsters Local 769 is on STRIKE against Amerijet

If you would like to donate to help your brothers and sisters who are on strike, there are several ways in which you may do so;

1. At our website: ->www.teamsters-local769.com<-

2. Pay directly into the Strike Fund Account;
Banco Popular -- Routing Number: 063112605
Account Number: 6806928146

3. By Check payable to Teamsters Local Union 769 Amerijet Strike Fund.
Mail to:
Teamsters Local Union 769
c/o Maria Rodriguez
12365 West Dixie Hwy
North Miami, FL 33161

4. You may contact your Business Representative and ask how you may donate your time, supplies, food or water.

 

[75 Driver]

ALPA National

Any support from ALPA National will only be in the form of vague press releases. Nothing of substance. The real support will be from individual ALPA councils and pilots. Prater will do nothing more than try to save face in the public view. I believe the letter demanded is just an excuse and is not done by ALPA itself when they have a strike. Many other unions just came when the Teamsters announcement came out. APA, SWAP, individual ALPA councils to name a few.

This ALPA National angst is mostly over Atlas decertification of ALPA and move to Teamsters. The Atlas crews choice was sue for Duty of Fair representation or decertify ALPA over lack of representation in a long ongoing merger and catering only to one group. Atlas chose decertification since it was cheaper and quicker. Prater considered this poaching on his turf (about 800 guys) by the Teamsters and Airline Director Dave Bourne in particular. It wasn't though, it was Prater not taking care of things and not keeping promises to the Atlas council. Prater needs to get over himself and get back to being a trade unionist.

Enough of the blame game now. Go down and walk the picket line and/or put some money in the strike fund kitty. In the end, we are all individually "the union" whether it's name is Teamsters, ALPA, APA, or others.

What National really needs to do is help with the media dept. They could go to Miami and put together some video that might present the cause in a more professional light. Two youtube videos that are out there are weak at best.
I asked my wife to watch them just to get her reaction and she asked why they did not interview the more professional looking pilots that were walking behind the folks being interviewed. I did not tell her that they were from other airlines.
I then asked my neighbor to watch them and her reaction to the one was startling, after seeing the one pilot talk for awhile she was initially taken with the cause but then after the little guy in the ball cap started talking she reacted with a who cares attitude.
Image is everything at this stage, because first impressions go a long way.
Sooooo once again how about ALPA national getting the media folks down there to show some support.

PS: This means someone from AJT's union should ask National, If you do not ask for help it probably will not come.

 

[ualdriver]

What National really needs to do is help with the media dept.....
Image is everything at this stage, because first impressions go a long way.
Sooooo once again how about ALPA national getting the media folks down there to show some support.

PS: This means someone from AJT's union should ask National, If you do not ask for help it probably will not come.

You know guys, I don't want to change the topic of this thread and maybe a new thread needs to be started, but c'mon. These guys are TEAMSTERS- not ALPA. Any issues they are having is a problem the TEAMSTERS should be handling, not ALPA National. I mean these guys voted in the TEAMSTERS, a big huge union with enough resources to help these guys as necessary and ALPA National is getting criticized because they're not "helping out enough?" Is anyone criticizing the Virgin America pilots? What are they doing? How about the Skywest pilots? How about the Allegiant pilots? Don't get me wrong, as ALPA members we should be supporting the Amerijet guys, but it just shows how deep the anti-ALPA sentiment is on this forum when the TEAMSTERS are on strike and ALPA NATIONAL gets the criticism.

If you're an ALPA guy and you want to help out, get your council to put something together. You don't need to wait for ALPA National, or for the Teamsters to ask ALPA National or whatever. Pick up the phone and call your reps, go to a union meeting and pass a resolution, get some $$ together with your buds, whatever. But any lack of support these Amerijet pilots are getting or not getting ultimately rests with the TEAMSTERS not ALPA NATIONAL.

 

[SaifAir]

Any support from ALPA National will only be in the form of vague press releases. Nothing of substance. The real support will be from individual ALPA councils and pilots. Prater will do nothing more than try to save face in the public view. I believe the letter demanded is just an excuse and is not done by ALPA itself when they have a strike. Many other unions just came when the Teamsters announcement came out. APA, SWAP, individual ALPA councils to name a few.

This ALPA National angst is mostly over Atlas decertification of ALPA and move to Teamsters. The Atlas crews choice was sue for Duty of Fair representation or decertify ALPA over lack of representation in a long ongoing merger and catering only to one group. Atlas chose decertification since it was cheaper and quicker. Prater considered this poaching on his turf (about 800 guys) by the Teamsters and Airline Director Dave Bourne in particular. It wasn't though, it was Prater not taking care of things and not keeping promises to the Atlas council. Prater needs to get over himself and get back to being a trade unionist.

Enough of the blame game now. Go down and walk the picket line and/or put some money in the strike fund kitty. In the end, we are all individually "the union" whether it's name is Teamsters, ALPA, APA, or others.

Well I didn't see Bourne seek support of MEC's or ALPA ahead of the strike. Has he acknowledged the support of any ALPA carriers that has been given? Seems that only non ALPA carries get acknowledged. We had people walking the line along with other ALPA carriers. It goes both ways.

 

[jetwash]

Good Luck guys
You have the support of IBT1108 (Flight Options Pilots)

Keep that scab list up to date .

 

[Metro752]

Updates

strike is still on

scabs still scabbing.

 

[PCL_128]

Why didn't the IBT contact ALPA? It seems like a basic first step.

Exactly. But since IBT Airline Division Director Dave Bourne is in a petty little feud with Captain Prater, I'm sure he didn't have the cajones to call John to ask for support.

Any support from ALPA National will only be in the form of vague press releases. Nothing of substance.

Captain Prater is sending an entire delegation from the National SPSC down to Miami to assist. Any other brilliant predictions?

You know guys, I don't want to change the topic of this thread and maybe a new thread needs to be started, but c'mon. These guys are TEAMSTERS- not ALPA. Any issues they are having is a problem the TEAMSTERS should be handling, not ALPA National. I mean these guys voted in the TEAMSTERS, a big huge union with enough resources to help these guys as necessary and ALPA National is getting criticized because they're not "helping out enough?" Is anyone criticizing the Virgin America pilots? What are they doing? How about the Skywest pilots? How about the Allegiant pilots? Don't get me wrong, as ALPA members we should be supporting the Amerijet guys, but it just shows how deep the anti-ALPA sentiment is on this forum when the TEAMSTERS are on strike and ALPA NATIONAL gets the criticism.

If you're an ALPA guy and you want to help out, get your council to put something together. You don't need to wait for ALPA National, or for the Teamsters to ask ALPA National or whatever. Pick up the phone and call your reps, go to a union meeting and pass a resolution, get some $$ together with your buds, whatever. But any lack of support these Amerijet pilots are getting or not getting ultimately rests with the TEAMSTERS not ALPA NATIONAL.

Exactly right. What this really proves, however, is that even the ALPA-haters know deep down that only ALPA has the know-how and resources to represent air line pilots. When the going gets tough, they beg ALPA for assistance, because they know that only ALPA is capable.

 

[WayBack]

Exactly right. What this really proves, however, is that even the ALPA-haters know deep down that only ALPA has the know-how and resources to represent air line pilots. When the going gets tough, they beg ALPA for assistance, because they know that only ALPA is capable.

You are so full of crap and ALPA.
IBT doesn't need ALPO since they're a real union and know how a Union works.
Not only that, but they have the brass to strike, unlike the POS called ALPO

 

[glasspilot]

focus guys, this is about Amerijet pilots striking one of the worst management teams in history.

Help from anywhere is a good thing. The more the better. No company should be allowed to treat their pilots the way AJT does.

 

[cfire]

Captain Prater is sending an entire delegation from the National SPSC down to Miami to assist. Any other brilliant predictions?

Make sure to thank Mr. Prater for all concerned. Considering he was aware of the upcoming strike some time back on Capital HIll he certainly had time to think about it after bumping into Mr. Bourne there. I'm certain the recent public outcry didn't have anything to do with it. Sending a delegation is certainly good and is much more than I remember getting from ALPA National when I was on an SPC/SC committee council and when helping another council during their strike. I hope the delegation does something more than what the one Mr. Prater lead in MEX did. They are still trying to make more cigars and tequila to replace the ones consumed.

Maybe we need to start another thread on this. Nine years of dealing directly with Herndon has definitely given me plenty of ammo to work with.

Lets give this thread back to the Amerijet guys and do what all trade unionists should do and support them.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

Did anybody think to "liberate" a few boxes of those p1ss bags away from the premises before they went on strike? I'm thinkin' about 40 of those (suitably filled, of course) hitting the mailbox every morning would make some sort of message. Wouldn't even have to be the corporate mailbox, either.

Just sayin'...

 

[The_Russian]

Update:

This update is long overdue. Sorry for the lack of communication over the last few days, we have all been spending quite a bit of time on the line.

- There is a strong suspicion that Arrow Cargo is flying our freight. One of their 757's was spotted in SDQ next to our 727 on the ramp. It is my understanding that MIA-SDQ is not one of their normal routes. Any intel you have on this is appreciated.

- The NMB is asking that both parties come to the table on Tuesday, Sept. 8th at 12 PM local. This will most likely result in a standoff again. The company believes that we will all come crawling back when we don't get our next paychecks. That is not going to happen.

- Two more scabs have been confirmed as a result of our intel gathering trips to outstations. They were guys that crossed on the first day, and they we previously only suspected. These guys sicken me. (Scabs: 15 emp/ 1 contractor/ 2 management)

- Cargo Jet has sent their 767 down to fly our freight again. Thanks a lot Canada!

- We have a labor rally scheduled for 12-2pm on September 7. There will be food and beverages served in support of our strike against Amerijet. Please stop by or PM me for information.

- The IBT, Bourne, and our reps have spent the last few days in Washington D.C. talking to Congress. They have had unwavering support from both Dems and Reps. Jeff Skiles (USAir 1549) joined them in their talks with our US Representatives. Thanks Jeff!

- The strike is not over! Amerijet tried to start a rumor that they killed the strike and fired all of us. Not true. If you hear an AJT flight, they are scabs. You know what to do!

- Sky King, Tradewinds, and Kallita refused to fly our freght.

- Please remember that while the media is concentrating on our lavatory situation, our major concern is the lack of industry standard pay. The bathroom issue is being focused on the most because it gives these media folks ratings.

More to follow. Thanks for your support. We are still holding strong.

 

[PCL_128]

Isn't Arrow Cargo a union company?

 

[The_Russian]

Isn't Arrow Cargo a union company?

Yes, Teamsters 747.

 

[PCL_128]

Yes, Teamsters 747.

That's what I thought. Do you guys think that the pilots are willingly flying struck freight, or is it being cleverly concealed by Arrow management?

 

[The_Russian]

That's what I thought. Do you guys think that the pilots are willingly flying struck freight, or is it being cleverly concealed by Arrow management?

We think it is being concealed. I also heard just moments ago that AA was/is doing the same thing.

The freight is marked as M6. Please check your loads folks!

 

[freightdogfred]

We think it is being concealed. I also heard just moments ago that AA was/is doing the same thing.

The freight is marked as M6. Please check your loads folks!

I doubt Arrow mgmt would be flying Amerijet freight. They are direct competitors, and I don't see them trying to help Amerijet mgmt out.

Scooping up some of Amerijet's customers, maybe.

 

[DC8 Express]

Arrow has had a 757 in Santo Domingo (SDQ) for several months. I have parked next to them several times this summer.

 

[flt1ncu]

Does anyone know if the Amerijet dispatchers are union?

 

[Midnight Flyer]

These guys sicken me. (Scabs: 15 emp/ 1 contractor/ 2 management)

I feel I should also add that the flights that ABX has operated with management crews is NOT additional flying. This is flying ABX was doing for Amerijet well before the strike. ABX does not have the aircraft or crews to fly Amerijet flights. There have been no other routes or flights added than what was there before the strike.

Management pilots consist of check airmen, instructors, and chief pilots.
Since they're management, they're working "for the company" right?
So are management pilots considered scabs if they operate for AJ during the strike?
I've heard both yes and no.

 

[glasspilot]

I've heard both yes and no.

So what would an answer here do for you? Wouldn't you be in the exact same situation having been told "YES" and "NO"?

 

[ualdriver]

So are management pilots considered scabs if they operate for AJ during the strike?
I've heard both yes and no.

They're scabs, period. If you choose the management route, that's the risk you take- that if there's a strike someday you're going to have to choose sides. If you choose the side that crosses a picket line, you're a scab.

To me, that's a NO-BRAINER removal from the jumpseat. I mean, what's the Amerijet scab going to do, file a complaint? To who? His non-existent jumpseat committee head? To your union's jumpseat committee?

 

[Midnight Flyer]

So what would an answer here do for you? Wouldn't you be in the exact same situation having been told "YES" and "NO"?

Im confused by your response. I'm in no "situation" as I have nothing to do with this strike and I don't even work for AJ. I'm curious if mgmt pilots will be considered scabs if they fly the freight.

 

[shooter]

Management pilots consist of check airmen, instructors, and chief pilots.
Since they're management, they're working "for the company" right?
So are management pilots considered scabs if they operate for AJ during the strike?
I've heard both yes and no.

Easy answer; yes. When the contract and all of this is done, their management guys benefit. Other companies have nothing to gain from their contract negotiations and asking one to get fired over it is ludicrous. The Amerijet union can try and work something out to get their management pilots job protections for their support during the strike. Not so for other carriers. And even so, this is really ground breaking and historical for the ABX guys to stop their own flying in support of Amerijet. We already know time and again ALPA does not consider this struck work since it was being done prior to the strike. Past strikes support their continued operations and it had union support.