ALPA's latest screw up at ASA.

[JoeMerchant]

I have a hard time believing that anyone would get fired by the end of August because of this. Sounds like the same kind of "scare" letters you get from credit card companies when your bill is past due. Not to mention the fact that ALPA's bookkeeping is so screwed up it would probably take them 6 months to even bring a case against a pilot. I certainly hope they wouldn't rake anyone over the coals without doing their due diligence first.

ALPA hasn't done their "due diligence" since this began.

1. The vote was compromised as people who weren't eligible to vote actually did vote.
2. They didn't have an accurate roster of pilots when they came up with the formula to figure out how much the assessment would be....therefor that formula isn't going to cover the expenses in the first place.
3. They are only "estimating" the amount owed. They say they can't give an exact accounting unless the MEC "chooses" to do so.
4. Why am I getting a "scare" letter from someone who can't even tell me exactly what I owe....at least the credit card company knows the exact amount.
5. Why do I even have to do the math to figure it out...Why doesn't the statement show the math...My credit card statements show the math.
6. Can't pay it at once, you have to mail 6 separate checks at 41 cents postage each....Who's bright idea was that?

There hasn't been any "due diligence" and that is the problem...

I agree that it is all bark and no bite....Can you imagine ALPA actually trying to go forward with this?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Just make sure you have Dues check off done on your ALPA Card, and or website and it takes care of the problem. I also have all assessments payroll deducted. Keep a member in good standing.

Doesn't matter if you are on DCO....You have to send in 6 separate checks at 41 cents postage a piece....They will not payroll deduct it.

Sounds to me like a way around that no furlough clause!

The company won't help ALPA out on this, and I seriously doubt ALPA will get very far with it...They are on thin ice as it is and know it....

 

[Stifler's Mom]

ALPA hasn't done their "due diligence" since this began.

1. The vote was compromised as people who weren't eligible to vote actually did vote.
2. They didn't have an accurate roster of pilots when they came up with the formula to figure out how much the assessment would be....therefor that formula isn't going to cover the expenses in the first place.
3. They are only "estimating" the amount owed. They say they can't give an exact accounting unless the MEC "chooses" to do so.
4. Why am I getting a "scare" letter from someone who can't even tell me exactly what I owe....at least the credit card company knows the exact amount.
5. Why do I even have to do the math to figure it out...Why doesn't the statement show the math...My credit card statements show the math.
6. Can't pay it at once, you have to mail 6 separate checks at 41 cents postage each....Who's bright idea was that?

There hasn't been any "due diligence" and that is the problem...

I agree that it is all bark and no bite....Can you imagine ALPA actually trying to go forward with this?

Very rarely do I agree with you Joe, but...

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Unfortunately, we have Agency Shop in our contract that I helped negotiate back in 1998. That was a mistake and I contributed to it.

Is this before or after you took your notes home and------>:bawling::bawling::bawling:??

 

[crj567]

Is this before or after you took your notes home and------>:bawling::bawling::bawling:??

What are attempting to imply, Gen? That Joe has questionable morals? You certainly have little room to speak.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

What are attempting to imply, Gen? That Joe has questionable morals? You certainly have little room to speak.

Tanker Clown, you have no room to talk about morals, we've seen what you do for $5!

 

[PCL_128]

Why can't you guys get payroll deduct for assessments? Does the company refuse to allow it?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Why can't you guys get payroll deduct for assessments? Does the company refuse to allow it?

ALPA is the one who wouldn't do it. Not the company. In fact, ALPA told me on the phone today that they can only "estimate" the amount due...I told them I would "estimate" the amount I would pay....

Care to try and defend any of the other mistakes made by ALPA on this assessment?

 

[PCL_128]

ALPA is the one who wouldn't do it. Not the company. In fact, ALPA told me on the phone today that they can only "estimate" the amount due...I told them I would "estimate" the amount I would pay....

Care to try and defend any of the other mistakes made by ALPA on this assessment?

I don't know any of the details at all, so I certainly won't try to defend it. I will say that if your local MEC doesn't like ACO, it really is a local thing. The guys at National prefer to have ACO, DCO, ICO, and PCO. Makes everything a hell of a lot easier.

 

[sstearns2]

The ALPA assessment at ASA has caused over 300 pilots to go into bad standing. ALPA is threatening to have these pilots fired by the end of August. The problem is, the accounting is all dorked up and the amounts are wrong. In addition, ALPA doesn't even have up to date records on who owes the assessment. Pilots on military leave, medical leave, and even pilots who left the company have received the letters.

Can you imagine the PR when ALPA tries to fire hundreds of it's own members....It's no wonder Skywest doesn't want ALPA....

How much was the assessment?

I think is pretty much standard that any union can get a member fired for not paying dues. Imagine if there were not consequences for not paying dues. People wouldn't pay and it would be a mess.

Scott

 

[samballs]

The ALPA assessment at ASA has caused over 300 pilots to go into bad standing. ALPA is threatening to have these pilots fired by the end of August. The problem is, the accounting is all dorked up and the amounts are wrong. In addition, ALPA doesn't even have up to date records on who owes the assessment. Pilots on military leave, medical leave, and even pilots who left the company have received the letters.

Can you imagine the PR when ALPA tries to fire hundreds of it's own members....It's no wonder Skywest doesn't want ALPA....

When Comair ALPA tried this, they went to the company with a list (just after the company announced furloughs) The comapny actually said are sure you want us to havethe power to fire roughly the same amount of pilots we want to furlough? The union took the list back the next day. ALPA is and always will be run by the weak and stupid, the people who are right for the positions are people already using their free time else where

 

[sweptback]

Never mind

 

[crj567]

He went to SWA in June of 2008 and was in my ASA newhire class...He showed me the letter when I was at his house. He asked me what to do about....I said, just ignore it.

I would LOVE to see a letter like that. It is kinda like all the fake agreements that you and LJ circulated a while back?

(Remember? The 100-seat pay rates that mainline agreed to?) I haven't seen a single 100 seater at mainline yet.

 

[crj567]

Tanker Clown, you have no room to talk about morals, we've seen what you do for $5!

Your mom has seen what I can do, and she pays a lot more than $5 for the priviledge.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I would LOVE to see a letter like that. It is kinda like all the fake agreements that you and LJ circulated a while back?

(Remember? The 100-seat pay rates that mainline agreed to?) I haven't seen a single 100 seater at mainline yet.

What are you talking about? Mainline has a 70 seat rate. They don't have the aircraft...What "fake" agreements are you talking about?