ALPA's latest screw up at ASA.

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The ALPA assessment at ASA has caused over 300 pilots to go into bad standing. ALPA is threatening to have these pilots fired by the end of August. The problem is, the accounting is all dorked up and the amounts are wrong. In addition, ALPA doesn't even have up to date records on who owes the assessment. Pilots on military leave, medical leave, and even pilots who left the company have received the letters.

Can you imagine the PR when ALPA tries to fire hundreds of it's own members....It's no wonder Skywest doesn't want ALPA....
 

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The ALPA assessment at ASA has caused over 300 pilots to go into bad standing. ALPA is threatening to have these pilots fired by the end of August. The problem is, the accounting is all dorked up and the amounts are wrong. In addition, ALPA doesn't even have up to date records on who owes the assessment. Pilots on military leave, medical leave, and even pilots who left the company have received the letters.

Can you imagine the PR when ALPA tries to fire hundreds of it's own members....It's no wonder Skywest doesn't want ALPA....
Amen, that was a car wreck looking for a place to happen.
 

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They'd never do it. They're going to cling to every dollar of dues money they can. The incompetence the MEC has displayed that pilots who separated from the company 6 months before a pilot was furloughed should be a wake up call for the pilots to get their house in order.
 

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How can the union fire anyone?
Unfortunately, we have Agency Shop in our contract that I helped negotiate back in 1998. That was a mistake and I contributed to it. It allows ALPA to have members fired if they don't pay up. Ironically, the pilot who received the biggest portion of the retro pay isn't covered by this and doesn't have to pay.

Ironically, the union can have the member fired...but the member can't do the same if he/she isn't happy...In essence, ALPA doesn't work for us, we work for them....
 

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They'd never do it. They're going to cling to every dollar of dues money they can. The incompetence the MEC has displayed that pilots who separated from the company 6 months before a pilot was furloughed should be a wake up call for the pilots to get their house in order.
I have a copy of a letter that a pilot, who separated 12 months before the furloughs, received regarding bad standing....They aren't even close to getting it right.
 

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well, I didn't realize that. that's kinda crazy
 

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If true, that's not right.
He went to SWA in June of 2008 and was in my ASA newhire class...He showed me the letter when I was at his house. He asked me what to do about....I said, just ignore it.
 

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ALPA is a cancer that just won't go away. It keeps growing and devouring until it kills the entire industry that keeps it going.
 

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Just make sure you have Dues check off done on your ALPA Card, and or website and it takes care of the problem. I also have all assessments payroll deducted. Keep a member in good standing.

Sounds to me like a way around that no furlough clause!
 

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This happened to Eagle back a few years back. They worked out a pay back over 6 months. I think the avarage was $650. Sucks when they can't even get there own accounting right!!
 

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Just make sure you have Dues check off done on your ALPA Card, and or website and it takes care of the problem. I also have all assessments payroll deducted. Keep a member in good standing.

Sounds to me like a way around that no furlough clause!
The problem is that ALPA can't do payroll deduct for assessments. Most of these people are on DCO. The other problem is the amounts are not accurate. It's a real mess.
 

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Have you tried looking at your online statements? No wonder ALPA billing is such a mess.
 

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I have a hard time believing that anyone would get fired by the end of August because of this. Sounds like the same kind of "scare" letters you get from credit card companies when your bill is past due. Not to mention the fact that ALPA's bookkeeping is so screwed up it would probably take them 6 months to even bring a case against a pilot. I certainly hope they wouldn't rake anyone over the coals without doing their due diligence first.
 

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I have a hard time believing that anyone would get fired by the end of August because of this. Sounds like the same kind of "scare" letters you get from credit card companies when your bill is past due. Not to mention the fact that ALPA's bookkeeping is so screwed up it would probably take them 6 months to even bring a case against a pilot. I certainly hope they wouldn't rake anyone over the coals without doing their due diligence first.
ALPA hasn't done their "due diligence" since this began.

1. The vote was compromised as people who weren't eligible to vote actually did vote.
2. They didn't have an accurate roster of pilots when they came up with the formula to figure out how much the assessment would be....therefor that formula isn't going to cover the expenses in the first place.
3. They are only "estimating" the amount owed. They say they can't give an exact accounting unless the MEC "chooses" to do so.
4. Why am I getting a "scare" letter from someone who can't even tell me exactly what I owe....at least the credit card company knows the exact amount.
5. Why do I even have to do the math to figure it out...Why doesn't the statement show the math...My credit card statements show the math.
6. Can't pay it at once, you have to mail 6 separate checks at 41 cents postage each....Who's bright idea was that?

There hasn't been any "due diligence" and that is the problem...

I agree that it is all bark and no bite....Can you imagine ALPA actually trying to go forward with this?
 
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Just make sure you have Dues check off done on your ALPA Card, and or website and it takes care of the problem. I also have all assessments payroll deducted. Keep a member in good standing.
Doesn't matter if you are on DCO....You have to send in 6 separate checks at 41 cents postage a piece....They will not payroll deduct it.

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Sounds to me like a way around that no furlough clause!
The company won't help ALPA out on this, and I seriously doubt ALPA will get very far with it...They are on thin ice as it is and know it....
 

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ALPA hasn't done their "due diligence" since this began.

1. The vote was compromised as people who weren't eligible to vote actually did vote.
2. They didn't have an accurate roster of pilots when they came up with the formula to figure out how much the assessment would be....therefor that formula isn't going to cover the expenses in the first place.
3. They are only "estimating" the amount owed. They say they can't give an exact accounting unless the MEC "chooses" to do so.
4. Why am I getting a "scare" letter from someone who can't even tell me exactly what I owe....at least the credit card company knows the exact amount.
5. Why do I even have to do the math to figure it out...Why doesn't the statement show the math...My credit card statements show the math.
6. Can't pay it at once, you have to mail 6 separate checks at 41 cents postage each....Who's bright idea was that?

There hasn't been any "due diligence" and that is the problem...

I agree that it is all bark and no bite....Can you imagine ALPA actually trying to go forward with this?
Very rarely do I agree with you Joe, but...
 

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Unfortunately, we have Agency Shop in our contract that I helped negotiate back in 1998. That was a mistake and I contributed to it.
Is this before or after you took your notes home and------>:bawling::bawling::bawling:??
 

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Is this before or after you took your notes home and------>:bawling::bawling::bawling:??
What are attempting to imply, Gen? That Joe has questionable morals? You certainly have little room to speak.
 
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