ALPA: Time to learn from this vote.

[PCL_128]

How has the big bad corporations taken away your rights as a Captain? IT IS NOT YOUR AIRPLANE; IT IS NOT YOUR JUMPSEAT.

The jumpseat belongs to the Captain. Period.

The company you work owns or at least has rights to that airplane. You can deny anyone because of safety reasons, and that’s it.

The FAA would disagree with your assessment. The Captain has the right to deny a jumpseater for any reason he chooses, safety or not.

 

[timmay]

Wrong! Being a SKYW pilot is supporting totalitarianism. No vote, no choice, no input, no nothing. Jerry speaks... you move. How fast is detrermined by Jerry. It would be more difficult more me to look at my wife if my boss treated me like this...

ALPA is a democracy.. one can be as involved in the direction of thier career. Same with our gov't. Want to run for congress? Be president... all possible..

The reason why guys are pissed about you guys and talking jumpseat refusal is because you are simply taking without giving... ALPA has done more for jumpseat privileges than anyone. The jumpseat program wouldn't be were it is today if it wasn't for ALPA.

Hours after 9/11 when the industry leaders where on a conference call with DOT secretery Mineta, someone said..there goes the jumpseat! Gone forwever! The ALPA president stopped the unilateral removal of all jumpseating and kept it intact for online pilots only. From there with coordnidation with others (teamwork) we were able to get CASS.

WHAT HAVE THE SKYW PILOTS done to help the jumpseat program????? You can't even host a jumpseat conference... who is going to pay for it? SAPA?


What are you doing to contribute to:

Secondary cockpit barriers​

MANPADS​

Foreign Control​

TransNational Carriers​

FFDO​

BK Legislation reform​

FMLA legilsation for crews​

Dedicated secuirty crew access (No TSA)​

Runway incursions​

ASAP​

FOQA​

Appendix F training​

Contam runway​

Pension reform​

Accident/incident investigations​

ALL YOU GUYS DO IS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE WORK THAT ALPA AND OTHER CARRIERS DO TO MAKE THIS JOB A PROFESSION. SO CONSIDER THAT WHEN AN ALPA PILOT DOESN'T WANT A FREELOADER ON HIS JUMPSEAT.

With that said, I'll still take you on my jumpseat. YOu might not like the conversation... but I'll take you...

WOW if those are APLA's top priorities there really is no hope for this profession.

 

[SERPICO]

Wrong! Being a SKYW pilot is supporting totalitarianism.

ALPA is a democracy..

With that said, I'll still take you on my jumpseat. YOu might not like the conversation... but I'll take you...

I asked on another thread how democratic a closed shop is. You should look up totalitarianism. You are free to leave SkyWest but it looks like you are not free to use your own mind. My union view doe's not matter, but why should we all be pro-ALPA.
Did you really enter this profession because you knew when you grew up that you would be in a union.

Keep your views out of the office and do your job. After all it is ALPA that preaches safety.
I am sure you're a big man in the cockpit with your jumpseat, why don't you walk up a B6 pilot on your next day off and tell him what you think..... show us tough you really are. You bash guys like this when several of them are furloughed drivers.
Get old....and retire, PLEASE!

 

[antisocialist]

Name a democracy with compulsory membership and compulsory financial contribution. The Republican Party can't force me to send them money. Neither can the ACLU. A church cannot force me to send them a tithe. Even most taxes cannot be forcibly withdrawn from your paycheck. But union dues can. AOPA accomplishes more without forcible membership. How can such force be democratic?

I begged for the job at my airline. So did you at yours. I said to them, "If you pay me what you promise to pay me, I will do what you tell me to do." That is what a job is. Freedom means I could have chosen another airline, or another profession. Freedom means I could do so at any time.

All of these things that you have attributed to ALPA occur freely in non-union industries. Without unions, how did the overwhelming majority of the non-union private sector acheive such a high standard of living?

 

[SERPICO]

This is how it works with present ALPA representation:
"Welcome to this great place (actually it sux, but we can make it great), you are now all members, but you only have the choice to leave us, not to join us. Leave and you are now marked for life".
Charming democracy there.
Kinda like screening your calls?

 

[PCL_128]

I asked on another thread how democratic a closed shop is.

There's no such thing as a closed shop in this country. They were outlawed many years ago. Guess you guys need to do a little more research before you can have an intelligent debate. Maybe you should learn the difference between closed shop and agency/union shop first?

 

[SERPICO]

Closed or not, then why take the liberty of making people members?
Is this what is called "thinking for the little folks".
I don't know tons about unions, but I guess you do. I just came on here to get a rise out of a couple of you. Some of the banter is really excessive and unnecessary. Good thing we have these forums.
Thanks for the educational advice, but I am sure I would win when it came to social etiquitte.

 

[PCL_128]

Closed or not, then why take the liberty of making people members?

That's what I'm trying to tell you. No one is automatically made a member. You have to apply for ALPA membership, even in an agency shop, which is different than a closed shop.

I just came on here to get a rise out of a couple of you.

That much is obvious. Maybe you should stop playing games and start thinking about the future of your profession and your career.

 

[BE90flyer]

Open Shop, Yeah right. Sure you dont have to join APLA but you pay either way.

 

[PCL_128]

Open Shop, Yeah right. Sure you dont have to join APLA but you pay either way.

You pay less if you aren't a member. You have to pay something because you are benefiting under the very contract that ALPA negotiated for you, whether you are a member or not.

 

[SERPICO]

You pay less if you aren't a member. You have to pay something because you are benefiting under the very contract that ALPA negotiated for you, whether you are a member or not.

I think you you missed the point genius.

As far as my profession, I don't want your help, I never asked for it.
If you are going to spend your life crying about it go do something else.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

So Rez when is a privately held company a democracy? Shouldn’t Jerry be able to run his company as he sees fit? What gives you the right to tell a privately held company how much to pay his employees.

Why does an ALPA pilot want a freeloader on his jumpseat????? Again its not his jumpseat. Other then safety reasons, you have no right to deny anyone. I mean come on if I could ban anyone from the jumpseat I would ban Ugly men. Then how would you and PCL get to work??? Think about that.

Don't let facts get in your way...SkyWest is NOT a privately held company, the stock trades on the Nasdaq!

 

[JoeMerchant]

ALPA does as good a job as possible in representing the regionals, but they simply aren't career jobs. You can never make a career out of an airline that really isn't an airline, but rather a contractor for real airlines.

There it is folks..... The regionals aren't "real airlines"..... This from one of the biggest ALPA cheerleaders and the reason we are all in trouble.... mainline and regional alike.... These are airliners, we are airline pilots, and it was that very logic that got ALPA and the profession in trouble....

Way to go PCL..... you are losing more ALPA votes with each post......

 

[JoeMerchant]

ALPA's jumpseat policy is intentionally ambiguous so as to allow Captains the authority to make decisions about their own jumpseats. For every statement in the policy that states that ALPA discourages denials, there's two more statements that reiterate the Captain's authority to deny whoever he wants. The email that Nevets posted earlier was a knee-jerk response from National because of the deluge of complaints that the committee received about NWA Captains denying JetBlue pilots last year, but ALPA always defends the Captain's right to deny anybody he wants.

Transalation: Yet another ambiguous vague ALPA flip-flop.....

Funny how it's OK for PCL128 to disagree with ALPA when it suits him......

 

[PCL_128]

There it is folks..... The regionals aren't "real airlines"..... This from one of the biggest ALPA cheerleaders and the reason we are all in trouble.... mainline and regional alike.... These are airliners, we are airline pilots, and it was that very logic that got ALPA and the profession in trouble....

Way to go PCL..... you are losing more ALPA votes with each post......

Do you fly any of your own code, Joe? Do you have your own marketing? Sell your own tickets? Etc.... The fact is that the regionals are merely contractors. You may not like it, but it's a fact.