ALPA sues SKYW

[dbchandler1]

nothing more stupid than a pilot pretending he knows something about politics, and also thinking he is so smart that he can voice himself on a aviation slam board. morons......

I know enough about politics to tell that you'd be a great politician. After all the voters don't know what the hell is going on and they're too stupid to know what they want so lets just take care of these nasty issues for them. Heaven forbid the "little people" even try to take part in democratic processes they know nothing about. The arrogance is disheartening.

 

[SkyNation]

this is evidence of the 'us vs. them' mindset that is usually inherent with ALPA: 'do what we say or we'll strike, sue, or shut this mother down!' that is not the type of environment I want to work in, and I'm in the majority here at skywest.

I am surprised that they have resorted to this. I have friends on the OC, and I look forward to hearing their logic.

 

[HelloNewman]

Why do you guys think this lawsuit would turn somebody off of ALPA?

Newman, first you say the OC is "whining" by filing this lawsuit, then you admit you're "whining" to the FCC. You're a hypocrite. You don't speak for me, and every time you post what the "majority" of pilots feel at SkyWest, you prove to every reader that you are delusional.

Not only do I disagree with your posts, but you really come across as a moron.

The lawsuit turns us off to ALPA because they are already acting like they represent us when they do not. This lawsuit is a preview of how life with ALPA will be at SkyWest and it ain't pretty. They are going to quickly turn it into a hostile work environment. They are trying to sue on our behalf. We did not hire them nor request them to go on this wild goose chase trying to get SAPA shut down. If SAPA was truly illegal don't you think ALPA would have played that card years ago? Maybe they really are that stupid that it took them 35 years to finally figure it out. Basically if ALPA shows up it is going to be a bunch of chest thumpers telling us what to do and only polling the other chest thumpers to justify their position.

The OC is whining because they are basically saying they are not being given full access to the pilots. ALPA flyers are all over every crew room. Somehow they get our phone numbers and harass us weekly. Those who have alpa stickers on their bag are not told to take them down. ALPA people already post on company message boards. They even occasionally put stuff in v-files. What a few of us in Chicago did was different. We specifically requested to be left alone yet we still get phone calls demanding that we sign our cards. We get phone calls from the wilson polling center after repeated instructions to not call us. We gave them plenty of chances to leave us alone yet they still persist. We informed them we were on the DO NOT CALL list meaning we do not want to be solicited. They refused to stop harassing us so we filed a group complaint with the FCC. The next step will be filing a union harassment complaint if they don't quit bugging people who do not want to sign cards. If the OC simply leaves us alone we will drop any and all complaints. The OC doesn't have much legal ground to stand on since they already have full access too all company message boards. The company does not interfere with the union drive at all but they certainly do not have to help the union out either. BTW was the majority of the pilots even asked for opinions before this lawsuit was filed?

I would like to take a moment and thank the OC for doing this. They look even more like bumbling fools now and this just sealed the fate of this union drive. ALPA is too nervous to hold a vote because they know it probably won't pass. I never said I spoke for everybody, just the majority. If the majority truly wanted ALPA then they already would have been voted on the property. I am going to laugh my ass off when 50%+1 of our pilots vote the union down. BTW if SAPA really is illegal and it took these retards 35 years to figure it out we still don't want them representing us anyway. Maybe this is why ASA has been in negotiations over 5 years with no end in sight LOL. If it takes them 35 years to figure that out then who knows how long it would take to get a contract LMAO.

 

[Speedtape]

That is correct. I think this move will actually be the death blow to the organizing effort. Even members of the OC aren't confident they will ever get the cards they want. This move has already turned a lot of people off. Why are they trying to shut SAPA down when the majority of pilots have not asked for it? I would like to thank the members of the OC for making our jobs easier. For us, the majority of SkyWest pilots who do not want ALPA here we now have a lot less convincing to do. I still don't see how they are suing on behalf of the pilots when the majority did not even request it.

There isn't one person here that hasn't been bombarded almost to the point of harassment by the organizing effort. I don't see how they can say they are being hindered with a straight face. A lot of us ORD employees have already filed a complaint against the FCC as we are on the do not call list yet they persist in calling us after repeated instructions to not call us. They keep harassing us to sign cards when we do not want to. We are already in contact with the proper channels to keep this at bay If anyone needs some help drop me a line. This is equivalent to a bunch of whiny babies who are trying to salvage a union drive that has almost no chance of winning.

Turn off the radio. Maybe, everyone does not feel the same as you. If you have confidence that it want pass, then why do you care? Apparently, the company was not complying with the law. The real test is whether the temporary order is upheld and made permanent.

 

[jayme]

Newman, you were turned off ALPA long before this lawsuit came around.

The lawsuit is simply about forcing SkyWest to follow the law. I still don't understand how demanding SkyWest follow the law would make somebody on the fence turn against ALPA.

 

[HelloNewman]

Newman, you were turned off ALPA long before this lawsuit came around.

The lawsuit is simply about forcing SkyWest to follow the law. I still don't understand how demanding SkyWest follow the law would make somebody on the fence turn against ALPA.

They are acting as if SkyWest has been the big bully and tearing up all their fliers and firing anyone who has an alpa bag tag on. The company has for the most part stayed out of this union drive. I hardly ever see an email from them. They are already allowed all the access that is requested in that lawsuit. No one deleted any ALPA stuff on the message boards. The only reason ALPA laynards aren't allowed is because it is uniform policy to allow NO laynards. It's not an anti-ALPA thing it's a uniform thing. I will give the OC credit they certainly chose a good court to file this one in. San Fran is as liberal as they get so I will give them points for at least getting the right judge.

We all know ALPA is talking to every newhire class, posting on the message boards and calling all the pilots. We all can see this as one last pathetic attempt to breathe life back into a union drive that never really had a chance anyway. If SkyWest was truly interfering with the effort then fine. The problem is they are not being hindered at all. They are giving us a preview about the living hell our life will become if ALPA gets voted in. BTW kiss any growth goodbye if we have ever have these clowns running the show. It speaks volumes when OC members are leaving for non union airlines like JetBlue and Virgin America. This is more of a vendetta than anything.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

The lawsuit turns us off to ALPA because they are already acting like they represent us when they do not. This lawsuit is a preview of how life with ALPA will be at SkyWest and it ain't pretty. They are going to quickly turn it into a hostile work environment. They are trying to sue on our behalf. We did not hire them nor request them to go on this wild goose chase trying to get SAPA shut down. If SAPA was truly illegal don't you think ALPA would have played that card years ago? Maybe they really are that stupid that it took them 35 years to finally figure it out. Basically if ALPA shows up it is going to be a bunch of chest thumpers telling us what to do and only polling the other chest thumpers to justify their position.

The OC is whining because they are basically saying they are not being given full access to the pilots. ALPA flyers are all over every crew room. Somehow they get our phone numbers and harass us weekly. Those who have alpa stickers on their bag are not told to take them down. ALPA people already post on company message boards. They even occasionally put stuff in v-files. What a few of us in Chicago did was different. We specifically requested to be left alone yet we still get phone calls demanding that we sign our cards. We get phone calls from the wilson polling center after repeated instructions to not call us. We gave them plenty of chances to leave us alone yet they still persist. We informed them we were on the DO NOT CALL list meaning we do not want to be solicited. They refused to stop harassing us so we filed a group complaint with the FCC. The next step will be filing a union harassment complaint if they don't quit bugging people who do not want to sign cards. If the OC simply leaves us alone we will drop any and all complaints. The OC doesn't have much legal ground to stand on since they already have full access too all company message boards. The company does not interfere with the union drive at all but they certainly do not have to help the union out either. BTW was the majority of the pilots even asked for opinions before this lawsuit was filed?

I would like to take a moment and thank the OC for doing this. They look even more like bumbling fools now and this just sealed the fate of this union drive. ALPA is too nervous to hold a vote because they know it probably won't pass. I never said I spoke for everybody, just the majority. If the majority truly wanted ALPA then they already would have been voted on the property. I am going to laugh my ass off when 50%+1 of our pilots vote the union down. BTW if SAPA really is illegal and it took these retards 35 years to figure it out we still don't want them representing us anyway. Maybe this is why ASA has been in negotiations over 5 years with no end in sight LOL. If it takes them 35 years to figure that out then who knows how long it would take to get a contract LMAO.

The only one: "acting like they represent us when they do not", is you!! Not ALPA.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Just for clarification, are the members of the "SkyWest Pilots ALPA Organizing Committee" actually from ALPA or are they SkyWest pilots who are trying to bring ALPA in?

My thoughts exactly. ALPA is not representing skywest, so I think its the skywest pilots who are sueing skywest.

 

[Obi-Wan]

The lawsuit turns us off to ALPA because they are already acting like they represent us when they do not. This lawsuit is a preview of how life with ALPA will be at SkyWest and it ain't pretty. They are going to quickly turn it into a hostile work environment. They are trying to sue on our behalf. We did not hire them nor request them to go on this wild goose chase trying to get SAPA shut down. If SAPA was truly illegal don't you think ALPA would have played that card years ago? Maybe they really are that stupid that it took them 35 years to finally figure it out. Basically if ALPA shows up it is going to be a bunch of chest thumpers telling us what to do and only polling the other chest thumpers to justify their position.

The OC is whining because they are basically saying they are not being given full access to the pilots. ALPA flyers are all over every crew room. Somehow they get our phone numbers and harass us weekly. Those who have alpa stickers on their bag are not told to take them down. ALPA people already post on company message boards. They even occasionally put stuff in v-files. What a few of us in Chicago did was different. We specifically requested to be left alone yet we still get phone calls demanding that we sign our cards. We get phone calls from the wilson polling center after repeated instructions to not call us. We gave them plenty of chances to leave us alone yet they still persist. We informed them we were on the DO NOT CALL list meaning we do not want to be solicited. They refused to stop harassing us so we filed a group complaint with the FCC. The next step will be filing a union harassment complaint if they don't quit bugging people who do not want to sign cards. If the OC simply leaves us alone we will drop any and all complaints. The OC doesn't have much legal ground to stand on since they already have full access too all company message boards. The company does not interfere with the union drive at all but they certainly do not have to help the union out either. BTW was the majority of the pilots even asked for opinions before this lawsuit was filed?

I would like to take a moment and thank the OC for doing this. They look even more like bumbling fools now and this just sealed the fate of this union drive. ALPA is too nervous to hold a vote because they know it probably won't pass. I never said I spoke for everybody, just the majority. If the majority truly wanted ALPA then they already would have been voted on the property. I am going to laugh my ass off when 50%+1 of our pilots vote the union down. BTW if SAPA really is illegal and it took these retards 35 years to figure it out we still don't want them representing us anyway. Maybe this is why ASA has been in negotiations over 5 years with no end in sight LOL. If it takes them 35 years to figure that out then who knows how long it would take to get a contract LMAO.

If you are going to argue a point then you need to know what you are talking about. Based on what my friends at skywest are saying the company is harassing them about pins, access to crew rooms, access to new hire info etc.. You know very well that the company is banking on the new hires not to send in their cards. After all they are told they will upgrade and leave in 2 years. The people who are actually the back bone of the company and are career skywest pilots support ALPA for the most part. Its not ALPA suing Skywest its Skywest pilots doing it. Also, you don’t to get vote no against ALPA, if you don’t vote, it counts as no vote. That’s the fvcked up thing about the RLA. So even if the vote does not go though it does not mean people didn’t want ALPA, it means that the ones who really cared voted some forgot or were too lazy and the rest didnt want ALPA. Now if pilots could actually vote yes or no the results would be much different. No one is trying to get rid of SAPA. Most of the companies Biaches have already been pushed out anyway from what I hear.

You need to stop with your old rant about ASA, and Mesa. I pray that the likes of JO don’t get a hold of Skywest while it’s without a contract. As for the ASA guys, the have a contract and sooner or later they will get a new contract. Having worked at Mesa hardly qualifies one as an union expert. You just gargle the same BS you hear from other jacks. I’ve talked to the likes of you before. You have taken a stance and are fighting a cause that will only hurt you at the end. However, your type is usually the first to cry wolf after you have failed upgrade 2 times a row.

 

[igneousy2]

When a friend of mine was hired at SkyWest a management type came into his new hire class and told the new hires point blank that "if ALPA is voted in the growth will stop" I'm sure there are many people that have witnessed events such as this.

It is not difficult to cross the line of hindering organization efforts, the law basically requires that the company say/do nothing, a requirement that most companies find impossible to follow.

Anyone can file a lawsuit for a violation of the RLA either individually or collectivelly. In this case it happens to be the group of pilots that are trying to organize you into ALPA. They do have a right to sue the company.

The RLA does not allow a carrier to fund it's own "union" which SkyWest clearly is.

All the judge is going to ask is...okay, so if SAPA is a union, then where is the CBA?

Oh, there isn't one...WTF!

To say that this is a frivolous law suit is....firvolous

good luck

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

We get phone calls from the wilson polling center after repeated instructions to not call us. We gave them plenty of chances to leave us alone yet they still persist. We informed them we were on the DO NOT CALL list meaning we do not want to be solicited. They refused to stop harassing us so we filed a group complaint with the FCC.

The "do not call list" doesn't have anything to do with your complaint.

1. If I register my number on the National Do Not Call Registry, will it stop all telemarketing calls?No. Placing your number on the National Do Not Call Registry will stop most telemarketing calls, but not all. Because of limitations in the jurisdiction of the FTC and FCC, calls from or on behalf of political organizations, charities, and telephone surveyors would still be permitted, as would calls from companies with which you have an existing business relationship, or those to whom you’ve provided express agreement in writing to receive their calls.
2. Are calls from political organizations or calls soliciting for charities covered?Political solicitations are not covered by the TSR at all, since they are not included in its definition of “telemarketing.” Charities are not covered by the requirements of the national registry. However, if a third-party telemarketer is calling on behalf of a charity, a consumer may ask not to receive any more calls from, or on behalf of, that specific charity. If a third-party telemarketer calls again on behalf of that charity, the telemarketer may be subject to a fine of up to $11,000.
3. What about telephone surveys?If the call is really for the sole purpose of conducting a survey, it is not covered. Only telemarketing calls are covered — that is, calls that solicit sales of goods or services. Callers purporting to take a survey, but also offering to sell goods or services, must comply with the National Do Not Call Registry.

 

[XPOO]

ATTN: SKYWEST PILOT ALPA SUPPORTERS

Tired of beating a dead horse into the ground? Want to be the dead horse being beat into the ground for a change? Want to work for an airline with ALPA representation? Mesa is hiring, like crazy! Get your app in ASAP.

 

[XJohXJ]

nothing more stupid than a pilot pretending he knows something about politics, and also thinking he is so smart that he can voice himself on a aviation slam board. morons......

Wow, now that's a distinctly UnAmerican sentiment there. It is the duty of every single American Citizen (even the ones you might not like or agree with) to be informed and involved with our politics. The less average citizens are involved, the more our system fails to serve us.

 

[Leroy Smith]

ATTN: SKYWEST PILOT ALPA SUPPORTERS

Tired of beating a dead horse into the ground? Want to be the dead horse being beat into the ground for a change? Want to work for an airline with ALPA representation? Mesa is hiring, like crazy! Get your app in ASAP.

Is ALPA the problem? What would MAG be like without ALPA? Just a little slice of heaven, I'm sure. JO would be treating his employees so much better if those union thugs were'nt mucking it all up.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

ATTN: SKYWEST PILOT ALPA SUPPORTERS

Tired of beating a dead horse into the ground? Want to be the dead horse being beat into the ground for a change? Want to work for an airline with ALPA representation? Mesa is hiring, like crazy! Get your app in ASAP.

Ratings: Dispatch

 

[Stifler's Mom]

HelloNewman,

Congratulations. You get to represent the Atkin Kennel Club at the big show in St. George. Just remember, when you are posing and prancing in front of the judges, to keep that shaved ass of yours held up nice and high like the proud little puppy that you are. Then when it comes time to hand out those blue ribbons, it'll be such an exciting time for you, but for the love of God, Newman, you gotta try not to squeeze out a dookie on the astroturf. Because, God forbid you were ever an embarrassment to Master Jerry, right?

 

[siucavflight]

I dont see what the big deal is. Let the SKW pilots vote, if they vote no then fine. SKW is not a company that is dragging the regional industry down. How about we go and help one of our union carriers such as Mesa treat their employees as well as SKW pilots are treated by their management team.
Me personally, I like ALPA, I am treated very well at Eagle, but I feel that it is only because we have someone looking out for us, this management team that we have here would love to treat us like Mesa employees, but ALPA keeps that from happening here.
Take my two percent and do something more worth while with it rather then trying to organize a group that does not want to be organized.
One word of caution to the SKW group, what happens when management changes and starts treating you poorly, or simply dont honor your contracts, will you come running to ALPA for help, or will you just bend over?

 

[CallmeJB]

When a friend of mine was hired at SkyWest a management type came into his new hire class and told the new hires point blank that "if ALPA is voted in the growth will stop" I'm sure there are many people that have witnessed events such as this.

It is not difficult to cross the line of hindering organization efforts, the law basically requires that the company say/do nothing, a requirement that most companies find impossible to follow.

The growth is over, for all regionals. The only growth left is replacing 50 seaters with 90 seaters, and that's not growth at all.

There's no point in blaming ALPA.

But I can see what happens if ALPA comes on SKW property: "We grew like crazy for 6 years, and then ALPA came in and the growth stopped."

Just my $.02

 

[Tarzan]

The growth is over, for all regionals. The only growth left is replacing 50 seaters with 90 seaters, and that's not growth at all.

There's no point in blaming ALPA.

But I can see what happens if ALPA comes on SKW property: "We grew like crazy for 6 years, and then ALPA came in and the growth stopped."

Just my $.02

Sounds like something Hello-I'm-a-little-biatch would say about the lack of growth due to ALPA. You guys need to remove your heads from the 4th point of contact and recognize the JA does not have your best interest at heart.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I don't understand why this is so contraversial. It's the organizing playbook, page 20. When pilot attention starts to wane, incite a violation of the RLA, sue the company on that issue, use it to promote your cause.

 

[skypine69]

hey newman,
do you think it is harrasement (or even professional) for a chief pilot to come over to you in the crew lounge and demand that you take off you alpa lanyard in front of everyone because it doesnt comply with our policy manual? and then you see everyone else wearing chicago bears or harley davidson lanyards. why are you so worried about it? if you are so sure that it wont pass then just wait for the vote and we will go on our way. as far as the phone calls, you do know that there is nothing that says you have answer your phone dont you?
i am proud to wear my alpa lanyard again, they have done more for this profession in the past 60 years than you could even dream of. I am glad you were not around then, if you had it would be about the same as working for mcdonalds.

 

[HelloNewman]

hey newman,
do you think it is harrasement (or even professional) for a chief pilot to come over to you in the crew lounge and demand that you take off you alpa lanyard in front of everyone because it doesnt comply with our policy manual? and then you see everyone else wearing chicago bears or harley davidson lanyards. why are you so worried about it? if you are so sure that it wont pass then just wait for the vote and we will go on our way. as far as the phone calls, you do know that there is nothing that says you have answer your phone dont you?
i am proud to wear my alpa lanyard again, they have done more for this profession in the past 60 years than you could even dream of. I am glad you were not around then, if you had it would be about the same as working for mcdonalds.

That depends? Was anyone else around? The best way to handle it is to confront the person when no one else is around. Laynards are against our uniform policy period. It is not an ALPA thing it is a matter of policy. I worry about the lawsuit because they are already damaging company relations. This is a lame PR ploy as one last gasp to try and salvage the union drive.

They already harass the new hires so I don't see what else they want. They talk to every newhire that comes through here. They are just mad because we are apathetic when it comes to ALPA. What they have supposedly done for the industry in the past does not matter to me. They have done nothing significant in the present which therefore makes them irrelevant. This is a what have you done for me today society. That is just the way it is. My question for you is what is ALPA so afraid of? This drive has been going on since 2005 and no vote is on the horizon.

 

[Ponchus pilot]

They have done nothing significant in the present which therefore makes them irrelevant. This is a what have you done for me today society. That is just the way it is. My question for you is what is ALPA so afraid of? This drive has been going on since 2005 and no vote is on the horizon.

Yet again you talk out of your A$$. ALPA has and is doing lots for the industry as a whole. You Choose to close your eyes, if you realy wanted to see there is plenty of information out there on what the organization has done. ALPA is not affraid of anything, the real question is what are you really afraid of. Why are you so close minded and negative. How many meetings have you attended? How many books have you read? You sound like a broken record bro. If you really want to get an answer to your pointless questions you can attend a meeting, even though I doubt that you would really want to know the truth. Keep talking $hit, you might really get what you wish for.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

If I were a Skywest pilot, I would be curious why my company was being sued for failure to comply with a labor relations law. I wouldn't be blaming the labor group; instead, I would be asking my employers why they cannot comply with the law since they certainly require me to comply with the law.

What are they afraid of in St. George? I thought the drive was going to fail? Why would a company not want an organized labor group? Hmmm....

 

[Scope out RJ's]

It's dead already... this is called DESPERATION.....

Kind of like the rjdc lawsuit!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Kind of like the rjdc lawsuit!

Whoa!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ski Bum]

It is important for SKYW pilots to realize that the Organizing Committee filed the lawsuit as a LAST resort. It was only after management didn’t respond to letters and phone calls that the OC determined that our right to organize and the success of something we believe in was being illegally hindered.
I can assure you that SKYW management was tearing down fliers from bulletin boards, kicking OC members out of the training center when we attempted to distribute materials to new hires, and not allowing us access to the crewrooms. These are all items that are our fundamental rights granted under the Railway Labor Act. SKYW chose to ignore the law and the OC did the right thing in calling them on it.
I also want to say that the Organizing drive is alive and well. Cards continue to come in on a daily basis. Although some pilots who have made up their mind are growing tired of hearing about ALPA, many pilots are still gathering information so that they can make an informed decision about their future. Also, many new hires have not had the opportunity to learn about the drive due to managements tactics. Instead of throwing around inflammatory remarks, why don’t we allow people to gather information unfettered, make a decision, and vote.

 

[Dubya]

So is this Alpa thing going to interfere with me rolling the cheeba on downwind into SFO?

 

[Bako Cap]

It is important for SKYW pilots to realize that the Organizing Committee filed the lawsuit as a LAST resort.

Bulls#!+. Having the vote is. The OC has a majority of the pilots cards. Petition the NLRB and have the vote. Sadly I think the OC is waiting for the outcome of ASA negotiations. ASA brothers thrown under the bus for SkyWest pilots (again?).

ALPAOC - "Managment forced us to sue."
SAPA - "Managment forced us to consent"

WOW, sounds familiar. The last thing I want is a weak ALPA union at SkyWest full of managment hacks like SAPA. Reactive rather than proactive. I guess I'll just have to vote Teamsters.

 

[pookie]

Why dont you organize teamsters since all you do is complain. Support ALPA or SAPA but dont cry like a little baby and do nothing about it. tool.