ALPA snubs AMFA

[320AV8R]

Dude, are you on Vic? .

Do you mean VICODIN......back to the retarded theme......

no I meant ALPA you fu_cking moron.

Okay.....explain how.....it's unrelated......except in YOUR world.

Wow I hope your not out at Selfridge flying our tax dollars around you BAFOON! This guy is NWA ,,,ex mil,,, nice. Do you guys have a program for substance abuse? Wow man, what kind of piss test do you have to do? I bet your a tanker guy cause your weak little nuts couldn't stand any sustained G

And again....back to the retarded theme.....

Hey, I'm sorry you have a REEEEEALY BIG HARD ON for NWA guys. Something obviously happened in your past to PISS YOU OFF, so generalizing an ENTIRE GROUP of people for a SINGLE INCIDENT, is....I guess....OK in your mind.

Get over it.....if you can....oh yea, WHERE DO YOU WORK AGAIN ?

I THOUGHT SO.

320AV8R

 

[WillowRunVortex]

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Loser.

And as for you YanK. That is a perfect name for your A$$ now that it is out to pasture for you. Cause that is all you will be doing my friend,,,yankin.


Edit 1: Why dont you do us a favor, now that you will no longer be in the know. Get lost,,,If we need to know about the cost of a shuffle-board membership, we will get in touch.

 

[AnimalTale]

320---

I have reread your post. FORGET 1993. Today is today and the consequences are different. Your leadership (again, my opinion) needed to support the mechanics. PERIOD..

320, I have nothing against NWA. I just want the continual downward spiral to stop. Our careers will be worth sh!t, SOON.

Already at NWA (from what I hear) your junior guys are going to get screwed with a pension and maybe any hopes of a solid career. There seems to be too much division of seniority and power at NWA. Everybody is looking after themselves rather than the WHOLE. REMEMBER SYNERGY, IT WORKS.

I hope you dont get the wrong message. Good Luck.

Cya

 

[320AV8R]

320---

I have reread your post. FORGET 1993.

OK.....it is forgotten.

Today is today and the consequences are different. Your leadership (again, my opinion) needed to support the mechanics. PERIOD..

I thought you re-read my post. here it is again......IN 2005....ALPA SUGGESTED THAT ALPA, AMFA, AND PFAA ALL JOIN FORCES TO COLECTIVELY BARGAIN AGAINST NWA MANAGEMENT. AMFA AND PFAA TOLD NWA ALPA TO F-OFFEATSH!TANDDIE. Numerous attempts to have AMFA and PFAA join ALPA were rebuffed, saying that THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED, AND WANTED TO BARGAIN ON THEIR OWN.

320, I have nothing against NWA. I just want the continual downward spiral to stop. Our careers will be worth sh!t, SOON.

Animal......ME TOO. Do you think the NWA pilots can somehow STOP this spiral ? (We won't mention the record high price of fuel, the anti-union Administration, or the downward pressure on wages by CH 11 carriers and the LCCS.....)

Already at NWA (from what I hear) your junior guys are going to get screwed with a pension and maybe any hopes of a solid career.

Hmmmmm......where did you hear this ? If you mean the screwing the junior guys will take from the PBGC....think again. The SENIOR guys will be most affected by a Pension termination.

There seems to be too much division of seniority and power at NWA. Everybody is looking after themselves rather than the WHOLE.

At what level ?

REMEMBER SYNERGY, IT WORKS.

Yea......we tried. hopefully you got the message from the earlier reply.

I hope you dont get the wrong message. Good Luck.

I think your "message" is that everyone should stick together. Been there, done that.....got the finger, instead of the T-shirt. I know what you are talking about, but sometimes it's hard to do without another willing party.

320AV8R

 

[miles otoole]

http://www.amfa33.org/whale_nose_gear805.htm

I am wondering why the AMFA put trophy pics of the 747 Guam nose gear collapse on its website when AMFA doesn't even perform maintenance on this whale (it's done in SIN).

 

[Diesel-9]

NWA pension will be a soft or hard freeze as legislation is finalized. Biggest item remaining in negotiations is how to handle medical retirements and disability coverage. New formula has me with 18 years getting 43% of current FAE with no increase to FAE my last 11 years. In todays dollars if I were 60 I would get about 23% less. And then will have 11 years of defined contributions to the 401K. Percentage being negotiated, guessing 8-12% targeted plan based on age and years of service. Will be decent totals but not what it once was.

 

[TonyC]

http://www.amfa33.org/whale_nose_gear805.htm

I am wondering why the AMFA put trophy pics of the 747 Guam nose gear collapse on its website when AMFA doesn't even perform maintenance on this whale (it's done in SIN).

Who do you suppose works on the airplane when it's in Guam?





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[gutshotdraw]

320AV8R is right on the mark. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. NWA ALPA tried to get all the unions to work together, look at the books together, and approach the company TOGETHER with a package that would save the airline and the vast majority of the union membership interests. Now that AMFA has given the rest of the unions and the company the finger, why should ALPA support AMFA and risk the liquidation scenario seen in Atlanta 14 years ago?

"We got a learning disability here?"

James Earl Jones in Field of Dreams

 

[canyonblue]

http://www.amfa33.org/whale_nose_gear805.htm

I am wondering why the AMFA put trophy pics of the 747 Guam nose gear collapse on its website when AMFA doesn't even perform maintenance on this whale (it's done in SIN).

A product of sh!tty outsourced maintenance. I would believe that was their point.

 

[ghostrider64]

I have a question for NWA pilots..

If you show up at the post office and you see that the letter carries are on strike and picketting the post office...Do you still go in and buy stamps?

 

[canyonblue]

Do you think the NWA pilots can somehow STOP this spiral ? (We won't mention the record high price of fuel, the anti-union Administration, or the downward pressure on wages by CH 11 carriers and the LCCS.....)

320AV8R

The AMT's seem to be the only ones who may stop their spiral, by refusing to accept the NWA wages. I don't see anyone else who walked over the wages NWA wanted. So far the AMT's are the only ones who can say they tried to stop the downward spiral, and it may cost them their jobs, but other AMT's in the industry will owe them for being the ones that stood up to the plate.

 

[320AV8R]

So far the AMT's are the only ones who can say they tried to stop the downward spiral, and it may cost them their jobs....

Did they stop it ? Seems like they might have accelerated it.

--100% of their members took a 100% paycut....as opposed to...

--55% of them taking a 25% cut, and 45% of them taking a 100% cut. A six month's severance package, including wages, health care, and travel benefits was offered to the furloughees. Somehow that seems better, allowing time to find other employment, as opposed to nothing.

but other AMT's in the industry will owe them for being the ones that stood up to the plate

I'm confused. Sure, they'll be recognized as the ones who "fell on their swords"; but their "contribution" is nil. What other group can use their actions to secure a better Labor Agreement ?

320AV8R

 

[Boeingman]

What other group can use their actions to secure a better Labor Agreement ?

None. That is why, if at all posssible, unions need to back other unions.

Another shamefull display by ALPA. Does it ever end?

 

[Redmeat]

Did they stop it ? Seems like they might have accelerated it.

--100% of their members took a 100% paycut....as opposed to...

--55% of them taking a 25% cut, and 45% of them taking a 100% cut. A six month's severance package, including wages, health care, and travel benefits was offered to the furloughees. Somehow that seems better, allowing time to find other employment, as opposed to nothing.


I'm confused. Sure, they'll be recognized as the ones who "fell on their swords"; but their "contribution" is nil. What other group can use their actions to secure a better Labor Agreement ?

320AV8R

Your last name wouldnt happen to be Steenland, would it?

 

[320AV8R]

None. That is why, if at all posssible, unions need to back other unions.

Another shamefull display by ALPA. Does it ever end?

See post number 19 in this thread.

320AV8R