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ALPA snubs AMFA

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Northwest Pilots Will Not Honor AMFA Strike



Bloomington, Minn. --- The Master Executive Council (MEC) of the NWA chapter of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l has decided that NWA pilots will not honor the picket lines of striking NWA employees represented by the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association. Union leaders judged that a sympathy strike action was not in the best interests of NWA pilots and other NWA employees.



"I am deeply disappointed the parties were unable to reach a negotiated settlement," NWA MEC Chairman Capt. Mark McClain said. "The current environment requires labor costs to be part of an overall solution. Unfortunately, Northwest management continues to overplay its hand by demanding labor costs well below its competitors."



ALPA has stated since April 2003 that NWA management and all NWA employees would need to participate in a joint solution to help the company overcome its financial difficulties. NWA pilots acted in December 2004 when they agreed to provide NWA with $265 million annually in wage, work rule and benefit changes.



"There is still time to secure our company's future, but it will require a combined effort by NWA employees and management," McClain said. "Union leaders and senior management must meet face to face and hammer out a joint solution now. It will not be simple or painless. Everyone, including management, will need to share in the sacrifice."



The NWA chapter of ALPA represents 5,700 NWA pilots. Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world's oldest and largest pilot union representing more than 64,000 pilots at 41 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit the ALPA website at http://www.alpa.org.



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SOURCE: Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA)
ALPA CONTACT: Hal Myers, (717) 805-7929
 

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filejw said:
PFAA IAM and ALPA all will not support AMFA.
Was that a question or a statement?
 

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AMFA brought this upon themselves. They are a preditory group who built themselves up by attacking other unions and groups in very nasty quasi legal campaigns.
They talked the talk but burned too many bridges to walk the walk.
Marching into a battle that you are destined to lose isn't brave, it is stupid. If ALPA had struck NWA it would have been suicide. Those who condemn the NWA pilots don't have their own careers on the line.
You don't go into battle with everything on the line unless you know you can win. Otherwise you retreat and come back to fight another day when the odds are more in your favor.
 

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INMHO,

Pilot's, FA and all should have supported EACH OTHER. Why? l NWA mngmt needs to be put in its place!!!!!


Solidarity is the only way!! The Pilot's are next. NWA mngmt has succeeded in dividing their workforce.

"UNIONS ARE GREAT" :)
 

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Widow's Son said:
AMFA brought this upon themselves. They are a preditory group who built themselves up by attacking other unions and groups in very nasty quasi legal campaigns.
They talked the talk but burned too many bridges to walk the walk.
Marching into a battle that you are destined to lose isn't brave, it is stupid. If ALPA had struck NWA it would have been suicide. Those who condemn the NWA pilots don't have their own careers on the line.
You don't go into battle with everything on the line unless you know you can win. Otherwise you retreat and come back to fight another day when the odds are more in your favor.


Thats really cool... Did every DAL, NWA pilot have their career on the line when EAL pilots were being encouraged to stick to Frank "to save the profession"

"You don't go into battle unless you can win" Did anyone at your airline or ALPA think of that before sacrificing EAL.

Your just proving the point I am making, that everyone in this union are backstabing, talk behind your back, look out for only yourself, hypocrites.
 

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AnimalTale said:
Pilot's, FA and all should have supported EACH OTHER.

Agreed. All 3 unions tried to make a "collective deal" as was done in 1993. AMFA and PFAA walked away, essentilly leaving each union to their own agenda. Management took advantage of that, and screwed AMFA. No other union on the property is supporting AMFA, (stating facts, not opinion).

NWA mngmt needs to be put in its place!!!!!

If you know of a way......speak out. They have the economy, the NMB and the Administration on their side, and in their pocket.

Solidarity is the only way!!

See first response above.

The Pilot's are next.

Actually, the F/As are next. Then the pilots.

NWA mngmt has succeeded in dividing their workforce.

They have taken advantage of the lack of cooperation among the unions and have divided the workgroups.

320AV8R
 

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320AV8R said:

Agreed. All 3 unions tried to make a "collective deal" as was done in 1993. AMFA and PFAA walked away, essentilly leaving each union to their own agenda. Management took advantage of that, and screwed AMFA. No other union on the property is supporting AMFA, (stating facts, not opinion).


If you know of a way......speak out. They have the economy, the NMB and the Administration on their side, and in their pocket.


See first response above.


Actually, the F/As are next. Then the pilots.


They have taken advantage of the lack of cooperation among the unions and have divided the workgroups.

320AV8R

The only way I know of taking control of your company is to STAND TOGETHER NOW--------->Forget 1993. I know, you will say," it is easier for outsiders to say".

I know I am not in your position or your predicament. It just seems appropriate that unions stick together rather than pull-away. Isn' that why the MIGHTY Union is there for?

Just Observing,

Cya
 

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AnimalTale said:
The only way I know of taking control of your company is to STAND TOGETHER NOW--------->Forget 1993. I know, you will say," it is easier for outsiders to say".
Animal-

Reread my post. ALPA wanted ALL THREE UNIONS to make a COLLECTIVE STAND against Management.

AMFA told ALPA to F*CK OFF, they didn't want any part of it. Neither did PFAA. Both of them REFUSED to sign Confidentiality agreements, so they couldn't access the Company's books, plans, etc. They took a stand, and the Company had the upper hand. Its hard to do a group hug with someone who gives you the finger.

The individual mechanics are not at fault, it's their inept leadership that caused the problem they now face.

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320AV8R said it well. A great group of people with lousy representation. They could have seen the books over a year ago and dealt with the situation. Trying to compete with an airline going into its 3rd year of Ch-11 is where the outrage should be. The giant sucking sound you here isn't NAFTA and the jobs going south. It is the sound of UAL cash diving into the lawyers pockets.
 
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Diesel-9 said:
320AV8R said it well. A great group of people with lousy representation. They could have seen the books over a year ago and dealt with the situation. Trying to compete with an airline going into its 3rd year of Ch-11 is where the outrage should be. The giant sucking sound you here isn't NAFTA and the jobs going south. It is the sound of UAL cash diving into the lawyers pockets.

Well, as "great" as ALPA has done for you, you guys sure sound pretty confident that your pensions arent gonna get taken to the cleaners here in the very near future. Do you understand the amount of difficulty that confronts manangment in trying to re-pay your funds? How easy would NWA's recovery be if they were in UAL's situation? Kiss the pension good-by guys.
 

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Well, as "great" as ALPA has done for you, you guys sure sound pretty confident that your pensions arent gonna get taken to the cleaners here in the very near future. Do you understand the amount of difficulty that confronts manangment in trying to re-pay your funds? How easy would NWA's recovery be if they were in UAL's situation? Kiss the pension good-by guys.

Yo Willow-

I'm not sure, but you might be diagnosed as "Clinically Retarted".

Read sh!t before you post a reply......ooooops, sorry, you're so eager to slam NWA pilots, you don't care what you type.

The "great" refered to was the NWA MECHANICS.......nothing to do with ALPA. And the pension topic........where did that come from ?

Are you even a pilot ?

The fact that your wife is a NWA F/A is probably the closest that you've gotten to "aviation". At least most of the guys here have the BALLS to admit where they work.

320AV8R
 

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320AV8R said:
Yo Willow-

I'm not sure, but you might be diagnosed as "Clinically Retarted".

Read sh!t before you post a reply......ooooops, sorry, you're so eager to slam NWA pilots, you don't care what you type.

The "great" refered to was the NWA MECHANICS.......nothing to do with ALPA. And the pension topic........where did that come from ?

Are you even a pilot ?

The fact that your wife is a NWA F/A is probably the closest that you've gotten to "aviation". At least most of the guys here have the BALLS to admit where they work.

320AV8R

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Dude, are you on Vic? .
Do you mean VICODIN......back to the retarded theme......

no I meant ALPA you fu_cking moron.
Okay.....explain how.....it's unrelated......except in YOUR world.

Wow I hope your not out at Selfridge flying our tax dollars around you BAFOON! This guy is NWA ,,,ex mil,,, nice. Do you guys have a program for substance abuse? Wow man, what kind of piss test do you have to do? I bet your a tanker guy cause your weak little nuts couldn't stand any sustained G
And again....back to the retarded theme.....

Hey, I'm sorry you have a REEEEEALY BIG HARD ON for NWA guys. Something obviously happened in your past to PISS YOU OFF, so generalizing an ENTIRE GROUP of people for a SINGLE INCIDENT, is....I guess....OK in your mind.

Get over it.....if you can....oh yea, WHERE DO YOU WORK AGAIN ?

I THOUGHT SO.

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Yank McCobb said:
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Loser.

And as for you YanK. That is a perfect name for your A$$ now that it is out to pasture for you. Cause that is all you will be doing my friend,,,yankin.


Edit 1: Why dont you do us a favor, now that you will no longer be in the know. Get lost,,,If we need to know about the cost of a shuffle-board membership, we will get in touch.
 
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320---

I have reread your post. FORGET 1993. Today is today and the consequences are different. Your leadership (again, my opinion) needed to support the mechanics. PERIOD..

320, I have nothing against NWA. I just want the continual downward spiral to stop. Our careers will be worth sh!t, SOON.

Already at NWA (from what I hear) your junior guys are going to get screwed with a pension and maybe any hopes of a solid career. There seems to be too much division of seniority and power at NWA. Everybody is looking after themselves rather than the WHOLE. REMEMBER SYNERGY, IT WORKS.

I hope you dont get the wrong message. Good Luck.

Cya
 

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AnimalTale said:
320---

I have reread your post. FORGET 1993.
OK.....it is forgotten.

Today is today and the consequences are different. Your leadership (again, my opinion) needed to support the mechanics. PERIOD..
I thought you re-read my post. here it is again......IN 2005....ALPA SUGGESTED THAT ALPA, AMFA, AND PFAA ALL JOIN FORCES TO COLECTIVELY BARGAIN AGAINST NWA MANAGEMENT. AMFA AND PFAA TOLD NWA ALPA TO F-OFFEATSH!TANDDIE. Numerous attempts to have AMFA and PFAA join ALPA were rebuffed, saying that THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED, AND WANTED TO BARGAIN ON THEIR OWN.

320, I have nothing against NWA. I just want the continual downward spiral to stop. Our careers will be worth sh!t, SOON.
Animal......ME TOO. Do you think the NWA pilots can somehow STOP this spiral ? (We won't mention the record high price of fuel, the anti-union Administration, or the downward pressure on wages by CH 11 carriers and the LCCS.....)

Already at NWA (from what I hear) your junior guys are going to get screwed with a pension and maybe any hopes of a solid career.
Hmmmmm......where did you hear this ? If you mean the screwing the junior guys will take from the PBGC....think again. The SENIOR guys will be most affected by a Pension termination.

There seems to be too much division of seniority and power at NWA. Everybody is looking after themselves rather than the WHOLE.
At what level ?

REMEMBER SYNERGY, IT WORKS.
Yea......we tried. hopefully you got the message from the earlier reply.

I hope you dont get the wrong message. Good Luck.
I think your "message" is that everyone should stick together. Been there, done that.....got the finger, instead of the T-shirt. I know what you are talking about, but sometimes it's hard to do without another willing party.

320AV8R
 
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