ALPA Scab-list

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Freedom air

Can someone let me know what happened with freedom air. I tried doin a search but was overwhelmed with info. Im just curious to know what these guys did.

 

[TurboS7]

Impressive-well over 6000 scabs. One could start a nice airline with them all....

 

[JB74]

If anyone wants the Freedom list, PM me your email address.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Impressive-well over 6000 scabs. One could start a nice airline with them all....

You could be chief pilot.

 

[Ted Striker]

Impressive-well over 6000 scabs. One could start a nice airline with them all....

Did ya ever think that maybe if you just shut up and quit offending people, they might leave you alone? I have read many of your posts and most of them are good, but the SCAB thing I can't get over. SCABS are scum that would stab their fellow pilots in the back just to get in an airplane. I don't want to hear about "had to pay the bills" etc. There were thousands that "had to pay the bills" and "feed the kids" that didn't cross the line. There is NO excuse.

 

[Publishers]

The Eastern situation had little to do with pilots or Lorenzo. The whole thing was suicide of an airline.

 

[TurboS7]

I copied the complete scab list I found one I thought was interesting. Judas Iscariot. Whoever made up the list at least was reading his Bible.Typhoon I agree, maybe I should practice what I preach and just let it go.

 

[Typhoon1244]

The Eastern situation had little to do with pilots or Lorenzo. The whole thing was suicide of an airline.

Oh yeah, you got it right. About six thousand pilots, flight attendants, and mechanics got together and decided to throw their jobs away for no reason. Lorenzo wasn't a factor at all. Few pilots even knew his name.

Please, no more hogwash from the Lorenzo apologists!

 

[T-Gates]

Wtf?!

The Eastern situation had little to do with pilots or Lorenzo. The whole thing was suicide of an airline.

I may have still been in grade school when the EAL Strike went down, but apparently you lived in a hole.

The whole thing had little to do with Lorenzo??? Give me a f'in break.

 

[Publishers]

This has been debated in detail on other threads by a number of people who were there or close to the situation.

You might have been in grade school, I was in Miami businessman watching this mess right in front of my eyes on 36th Street.

I am not defending Lorenzo or the part he played, but he took over a corpse that had not died. Borman and Bryan are just as guilty if not more so. Check out Easterrn maintenance costs some day versus other carriers.

 

[Typhoon1244]

...I was in Miami businessman...

...which is pretty much everything you need to know.

Without Lorenzo, Eastern would have survived in some form or other. Instead, it's gone altogether. Saying that Lorenzo had little to do with it is like saying Hitler was unimportant in world history.

 

[EKUAVN20]

What are you thinking...

The Eastern situation had little to do with pilots or Lorenzo. The whole thing was suicide of an airline.

If you were a publisher at all you would be able to figure out the many books about Frank Lorenzo and his destruction of EAL. He hated Unions, he would have never been happy having a union workforce running his company. As a son of a EAL mechanic my dad always stuck with the union because its what put meals on the table and clothes on our backs and made for safer working conditions. If you make comments have some quality information to back them up.

 

[Tripower455]

That is right I am a real human being and I get pissed off.

You made your own bed......... now lie in it........

You REALLY can't understand why pilots HATE scabs?

 

[BrnJetFuel]

Clay Lacy a scab

Was looking the list over an thought it was interesting that Mr. Pro Pilot and self made millionair was a scab as well. Wonder if Mr. Clay Lacy made millions by walking all over other pilots?

Coppied from the list:

Lacy, H Clay UAL 85 46759, Mr Aviation "Pro Pilot of Year", Lied about age to FAA and UAL, Retired, ALPA
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[Publishers]

Eastern did survive in some form or another, at least for a time. Lorenzo and Carl Ichan were the bottom feeders of the era. They tried to take advantage of distressed properties.

My point is that at the time he showed up, this was a distressed property.

One of you was in elementary school, one reporting about his dad. I was there and in position to see what was happening first hand and from an educated view and knowing individuals on both sides.

No doubt you know more than I.

 

[trip]

I heard C.L. lied about his age so he could hold the #1 seniority position, effectivly stabbing other pilots in the back!

Not suprising he scabbed as well.

 

[T-Gates]

I don't know about him lying about his age, but I was under the impression he scabbed to be #1 on the list.

 

[Lrjtcaptain]

I am not defending Lorenzo or the part he played, but he took over a corpse that had not died. Borman and Bryan are just as guilty if not more so. Check out Easterrn maintenance costs some day versus other carriers.

Oh no, now your attacking my family by bringing FRANK into the mix. Leave him out of it!

 

[Typhoon1244]

One of you was in elementary school, one reporting about his dad.

This is true.

Now I'm thirty-two. I have lived through a little corner of Eastern's destruction since '89. I can read, and I can listen to stories and process information. I've been in close contact with this subject matter for fifteen years.

I'm not surprised that you're trying to deflect blame from Mr. Lorenzo. Many businessmen in the 80's and 90's looked up to him as a hero, and you were probably among them. His employees saw him for what he was: a corporate buthcer, a greedy bastard, interested in nothing more than lining his pockets at the expense of thousands of hardworking pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, dispatchers, PSA's, etc, etc.

Eastern was in the emergency room. It needed a doctor. It got a mortician, thanks to Frank Lorenzo, Charlie Bryan, and the Bush administration. Take away any one of those factors, and Eastern would still exist in some form today.

But you're right: I wasn't an Eastern employee and didn't experience the debacle first-hand. Show me the EAL wings you wore on your gold-striped jacket, and I'll listen to what you have to say. Tell me about the Eastern board meetings you sat in on, and I'll hang on your every word. In the mean time, shut up.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Now that I've calmed down a little...consider this:

Eastern's pilots and flight attendants were honoring an IAM picket line. Their hope was to "poison" Eastern just enough to force Lorenzo to leave without killing the company. Why did they want Lorenzo gone? Because they could see very clearly that Lorenzo was picking Eastern apart to the benefit of Texas Air.

So to say...

...the Eastern situation had little to do with pilots or Lorenzo...

...is to completely divorce one's self from reality. Several things would have to have happened to prevent Eastern's demise, but Lorenzo* was the catalyst, not an innocent bystander.




*One could argue that Bryan was equally culpable, but had Borman stayed and Lorenzo never shown up, a federal moderator would probably have been appointed and the end result might have been very different.