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ALPA better worry about it's own failures, like forgiving scabs to fatten the piggy bank, screwing one pilot group in favor of others, and the list goes on

and being over here in the dirt pit more than 20 years, my experience has shown that a 25 year "career" with a dirt pit airline doesn't even come close to a career in a legacy stateside, trust me
 
don't be surprised if ALPA caves on 5th freedom to fatten piggy bank. Obama Administration is supportive.
 
8sugarsugar said:
don't be surprised if ALPA caves on 5th freedom to fatten piggy bank. Obama Administration is supportive.
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How would ALPA fatten their piggy bank by caving? Is Emirates simply going to write ALPA a check for $100 million?

Obama administration supportive? Says who? Bush administration was supportive of the Dubai Ports World sale - how'd that work out?
By the way, Obama opposed the Dubai Ports World sale. In his opposition, Senator Barack Obama stated 'we're allowing our port security to be outsourced to foreign governments' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Ports_World_controversy

Finally, again, JFK-MXP does NOT meet traditional criteria for granting 5th freedom rights. It is not an underserved route.

sugar, Why do you never provide proof of your claims?
 
and being over here in the dirt pit more than 20 years, my experience has shown that a 25 year "career" with a dirt pit airline doesn't even come close to a career in a legacy stateside, trust me
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Meaning a career in the 'dirt pit' is better?
 
Golden Falcon said:
ALPA better worry about it's own failures, like forgiving scabs to fatten the piggy bank, screwing one pilot group in favor of others, and the list goes on

and being over here in the dirt pit more than 20 years, my experience has shown that a 25 year "career" with a dirt pit airline doesn't even come close to a career in a legacy stateside, trust me
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Life is more than money. You just waisted 25 years and you will figure that out when you get back to the mother land

25 years at any legacy is better .. Emirates is good for 4 years only
 
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sniper said:
Life is more than money. You just waisted 25 years and you will figure that out when you get back to the mother land

25 years at any legacy is better .. Emirates is good for 4 years only
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We all would like to think that, but at the end it is money that provides for stability and peace of mind for you to enjoy life. When he gets back to the motherland as you call it, he will have a good retirement, his kids education will be paid for, that is a biggie, they will start their professional lives without debt and he would have had a very fulfilling career flying all over the world. What would you figure he would have waisted? The last years since 9/11 have been pretty bad in the industry here in the US, time would have been waisted by spending his furlough in a regional, don't you think?
 
Dumb Pilot said:
We all would like to think that, but at the end it is money that provides for stability and peace of mind for you to enjoy life. When he gets back to the motherland as you call it, he will have a good retirement, his kids education will be paid for, that is a biggie, they will start their professional lives without debt and he would have had a very fulfilling career flying all over the world. What would you figure he would have waisted? The last years since 9/11 have been pretty bad in the industry here in the US, time would have been waisted by spending his furlough in a regional, don't you think?
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Waisted? Are you wasted?
 
Andy said:
How would ALPA fatten their piggy bank by caving? Is Emirates simply going to write ALPA a check for $100 million?

Obama administration supportive? Says who? Bush administration was supportive of the Dubai Ports World sale - how'd that work out?
By the way, Obama opposed the Dubai Ports World sale. In his opposition, Senator Barack Obama stated 'we're allowing our port security to be outsourced to foreign governments' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Ports_World_controversy

Finally, again, JFK-MXP does NOT meet traditional criteria for granting 5th freedom rights. It is not an underserved route.

sugar, Why do you never provide proof of your claims?
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Obama also promised to reduce the deficit in half...anyway

Only thing that will settle this argument is time. It is very likely an announcement will be made this year. Been to Milan lately andy?, have you seen all the money the EK has invested there? Just saying...
 
Andy said:
How would ALPA fatten their piggy bank by caving? Is Emirates simply going to write ALPA a check for $100 million?

Obama administration supportive? Says who? Bush administration was supportive of the Dubai Ports World sale - how'd that work out?
By the way, Obama opposed the Dubai Ports World sale. In his opposition, Senator Barack Obama stated 'we're allowing our port security to be outsourced to foreign governments' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Ports_World_controversy

Finally, again, JFK-MXP does NOT meet traditional criteria for granting 5th freedom rights. It is not an underserved route.

sugar, Why do you never provide proof of your claims?
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ALPA has no real power to block 5th freedom anyway. Look how strong the Qantas union was, far stronger than ALPA. Now EK will be flying Qantas routes, ie. SYD-LAX on EK equipment.
 
Hurray! The US airline industry will soon go the way of the merchant marine. Cabotage is here to stay. Ryanair from BOS/LGA for $9.99. Goodbye pesky unions and hello tenuous, at-will employment in the sandbox.

Rejoice boys, maybe your embittered dreams will come true.
 
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Hurray! The US airline industry will soon go the way of the merchant marine. Cabotage is here to stay. Ryanair from BOS/LGA for $9.99. Goodbye pesky unions and hello tenuous, at-will employment in the sandbox.

Rejoice boys, maybe your embittered dreams will come true.
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I have no loyalty to EK, just stating the facts from the inside.

for whatever reason I get a lot of ignorant and bullheaded comments from people who have no clue "oh, that can't happen!" "NEVER ever!"

it is happening and it can't be stopped...end of story
 
8sugarsugar said:
I have no loyalty to EK, just stating the facts from the inside.

for whatever reason I get a lot of ignorant and bullheaded comments from people who have no clue "oh, that can't happen!" "NEVER ever!"

it is happening and it can't be stopped...end of story
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As long as unions, voters, and lobbyists can influence Congress members, it won't happen here. One Congressman from an airline hub city can throw a wrench in any foreign plan. Sorry Sugarsugar. Have fun in Dhaka.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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General Lee said:
As long as unions, voters, and lobbyists can influence Congress members, it won't happen here. One Congressman from an airline hub city can throw a wrench in any foreign plan. Sorry Sugarsugar. Have fun in Dhaka.


Bye Bye---General Lee
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no sense in arguing this blue in the face, watch the news, an announcement in imminent.

Emirates has lobbyists too. Very powerful ones when you buy hundreds of 777's and borrow billions from the im/ex bank of United states to do so. and *cough cough*, buy billions in defense stuff and don't forget about UAE oil. Delta lobbyists have nothing compared to the UAE.

Research what happened to Canada when they blocked more than 3 flights a week to toronto.

Dubai port deal is far different than allowing one or two flights a day from JFK-MXP or DFW-LHR or SYD-LAX. It will go un-noticed other than ALPA sending letters to its pilots to contact their congressman.

Do I want to see 5th freedom rights? no, don't shoot the messenger.

Have fun in Dakar, Senegal Mr. Delta guy (See, I also can reduce a discussion into, "my dad can beat up your dad")
 
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8sugarsugar said:
no sense in arguing this blue in the face, watch the news, an announcement in imminent.

Emirates has lobbyists too. Very powerful ones when you buy hundreds of 777's and borrow billions from the im/ex bank of United states to do so. and *cough cough*, buy billions in defense stuff and don't forget about UAE oil. Delta lobbyists have nothing compared to the UAE.

Research what happened to Canada when they blocked more than 3 flights a week to toronto.

Dubai port deal is far different than allowing one or two flights a day from JFK-MXP or DFW-LHR or SYD-LAX. It will go un-noticed other than ALPA sending letters to its pilots to contact their congressman.

Do I want to see 5th freedom rights? no, don't shoot the messenger.

Have fun in Dakar, Senegal Mr. Delta guy (See, I also can reduce a discussion into, "my dad can beat up your dad")
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I'm not NYC based, so no Dakar for me. Canada still only allows 3 EK flights per week from DXB to YYZ, so not much has changed. Have you seen DL's stance towards the im/exm bank? They are suing them to stop them from giving cheap loans to India etc, so it ain't a win win for EK by a long shot. DL also is considering more airplane orders, so Boeing may be listening to them too. And the US doesn't need UAE oil, ND probably pumps out twice as much per day, we might be exporting it to you guys. Have fun in Khartoum, I won't even be close.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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