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avrodriverj85

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Is this guy Wychor on the crack pipe?


Mesaba ALPA MEC Special Hotline

October 27, 2004

Dear Fellow Mesaba Pilot:

Many questions and concerns have arisen in connection with the
NWA Bridge/Investment Agreement that is currently being reviewed
and voted on by the NWA pilots. Given the potential impact of
some of the terms of that agreement on Mesaba Airlines, we
thought it prudent to review the key points, and share our
perspective on the potential consequences.

The NWA MEC views the TA as a "bridge" agreement that
effectively ends their Section 6 negotiations. It is being labeled as a
"bridge" because of its relatively short duration, and because it is
designed to allow NWA management time to implement other cost cutting
measures, including the negotiation of concessions from other
work groups. The NWA MEC concluded that the TA'ed concessions
were necessary at this time to assist NWA in securing additional
financing and credit during a time when the airline continues to
experience significant losses. The concessions negotiated in the
Bridge agreement require that all management employees take pay
cuts as well.

The Tentative Agreement reduces all pay rates by 15%, caps sick-
leave accruals, and requires the pilots to pay 20% of their
health and dental premiums (NWA pilots currently do not pay any part of
the premium for their medical insurance). All told, the cost
reductions outlined in the TA result in $300 million in annual
savings. The NWA pilots will receive 4.05% of outstanding shares
in NWA stock on option, and have guaranteed profit sharing in line
with other NWA employee groups.

The TA also includes concessions in Section 1, the Scope
provisions. The TA allows for the conversion of up to 60-44 seat
jet aircraft into 50 seat jet aircraft, whereas under the
current agreement, the operation of additional 50 seaters was
prohibited. Additionally, and this is the provision that is probably of the
greatest concern to Mesaba pilots, the TA explicitly permits NWA
to add up to 40 more 50 seat jet aircraft, provided that such
aircraft are not flown by Mesaba, Pinnacle, or any other NWA affiliate.

The idea behind this provision was to give NWA the ability to
take advantage of an opportunity to expand into markets where another
airline was reducing or eliminating service (such as UAL or
USAir), and to do so on an expedited basis. If, for example, UAL
drastically cuts service in a certain area, the United Express carriers
would have an excess of aircraft and crews, and would likely be
interested in signing a code share agreement with NWA to perform the same
flying. NWA is concerned that if it does not fill the vacuum
created in the event of an exit of any carriers in NWA's "Heartland
Markets", other carriers will beat them to it. As a result of this relaxed
scope provision, NWA would get a turn key operation, without any of
the ramp up costs associated with bringing in its current code share
partners to do that flying. In addition, if the transition were
made quickly, it would increase NWA market share and feed, and result
in increased revenue.

This new provision in the NWA contract is obviously at odds with
the whole idea of "family or brand scope" because the addition
of these aircraft is contingent upon bringing in another Airlink
carrier. No one on our MEC welcomes this move. At the same time, we
think it is important to put this new development in
perspective, and keep in mind the level of concessions being made by the NWA
pilots.

First, there has never been a prohibition in the NWA scope
language on adding additional Airlinks. That could have occurred
3 years ago when we started negotiations, and it could occur today
without this new language. Put another way, NWA has been free to

contract with other carriers to fly all the 44 seat jets it
wants, without limitation. This new provision simply says that another
40 jet aircraft may be flown with 50 seats - an incremental change
of 6 seats. Second, it is understandable that the NWA MEC does not
wish to allow NWA to finance additional jet aircraft that would
not be flown by its pilots, especially in light of the very large
number of Northwest pilots who remain on furlough. Combined with a 15 %
pay cut, which is not insignificant, we believe it is
understandable the NWA MEC opted to agree to this provision. No pilot would
willingly agree to cut his own pay only to have those cost
savings go to finance another airline's operation.

Scope provisions necessarily impact the job opportunities of
others. In many respects, we faced similar issues when we
elected to limit Big Sky to 19 seat turbo prop operations. We did so
because we wanted to protect the viability of Mesaba Airlines,
and the careers of our pilots. Put yourself in the shoes of the NWA
MEC and consider what you might have chosen, given the various
alternatives. Keep in mind that the threat of bankruptcy still
looms, and that is a development that we should all view with extreme
alarm. If NWA files a Chapter 11 petition, it will have the
right to ask the bankruptcy court to void all of its contracts -including
its contract with the NWA pilots and including its code share
contract with Mesaba. If the Bridge Agreement helps to avoid a bankruptcy
filing, that is to our very great advantage.

There will likely be many hard choices and difficult decisions
for all ALPA MEC's before the industry comes back around. We must and
should view our fellow pilots as our allies --- even if we have
disagreements about the best course of action.

Fraternally,

Tom Wychor
Mesaba MEC Chairman
 
spin

>>>The TA allows for the conversion of up to 60-44 seat
jet aircraft into 50 seat jet aircraft, whereas under the
current agreement, the operation of additional 50 seaters was
prohibited. Additionally, and this is the provision that is probably of the
greatest concern to Mesaba pilots, the TA explicitly permits NWA
to add up to 40 more 50 seat jet aircraft, provided that such
aircraft are not flown by Mesaba, Pinnacle, or any other NWA affiliate.


So that means in the TA they put strict time limits on the "non affiliate" carrier, and will bring in Mesaba and Pinnacle and/or NWA pilots just as soon as they can, right?

Oh, they forgot to do that? Oh well, there's always next contract!

Let the RFP whoring continue!
 
Additionally, and this is the provision that is probably of the greatest concern to Mesaba pilots, the TA explicitly permits NWA to add up to 40 more 50 seat jet aircraft, provided that such aircraft are not flown by Mesaba, Pinnacle, or any other NWA affiliate.
Yeah, this means if USAirways tanks, then hello Mesa or Chautauqua or TranStates. Once you let them in, they don't go away.
 
Sounds as though the boys at National have been serviceing your MEC a big helping of ALPA Kool Aid. Tell them to open the books and hire a Independent Auditor to construt a cost comparison. If you believe for one second the numbers generated by Alpa Financial your fools. How can the pilots at MESABA compare the cost to NWA without the financial facts? Does NWA have a pending contract with a contract carrier? Acquire the financial numbers independently. If they state the Alpa Mantra-(Confidential information or Confidentiality Agreement), run don't walk because your about to raped by Duane and his Salad Tossers, with the NWA Executives standing in the shadows laughing.
 
Well, we'll probably be ok, because our ALPA MEC attorney, Jane Schafts' husband is also the NWA ALPA MEC attorney. That makes it a level playing field with this bunch, right? Maybe it's time for the pilot group to contact some independent legal counsel and break away from this motley bunch?

If we as XJ pilots allow Wychor and his bitch*es to get away with it again, we'll get what we deserve and are not different then the other whores of the industry, hence the name MESA-ba.
 
storminpilot said:
Yeah, this means if USAirways tanks, then hello Mesa or Chautauqua or TranStates. Once you let them in, they don't go away.


Nobody has to tank to qualify for this provision. Consider this. Northwest can operate a maximum of 104 50-seat CRJ's. However, this number can be increased by 40 if Northwest does not have to find financing for those aircraft. Now, instead of Mesaba and Pinnacle being able find their own financing and bid these aircraft with some degree of favoritism via NWALPA we are being specifically excluded from the bidding with NWALPA's blessing. When it comes down to it this has nothing to do with being able to add capacity quickly should another airline liquidate. This has everything to do increasing whipsaw leverage against XJ and PCL. There is no way NW will choose to place any new aircraft with XJ or PCL beyond scheduled deliveries as all these aircraft will have to be 44-seaters.
 
This should be fun watching MESA and CHQ fight to undercut each other when AIrways tanks!!! I hope Comair gets it!!!!!!!!!! Or Air whisky or even Indy. Anyone but MESA. They need to be weened from the nipple!!!!!!!!!
 
Thanks to our "brothers" at NWA.

They smile to your face and scream words like "family" and "brand scope" as they are shoving the knife if your back to save their own skins.

Well, as a result of this little deal with the devil NWA ALPA and ALPA national have shown their true colors ** AGAIN **. After all, the mainline pilots' moto is: "You first, right after me."

And here all along we were supposed to worry about Big Sky. . .:rolleyes:



Edit: I wanted to make this message CRYSTAL FREAKING CLEAR so Surplus1 wouldn't think this was new. I don't think I could live if he thought I was sss...sss...ssss....stuuu....ppp...ppp...pid.


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It would be prudent to begin a wholesale recall of the MEC members who like being Worthless Rump lickers. The worthless MEC members are boisting their stature at National at the expense of the Mesaba pilots. There is many examples of this corruption slithering around National. If the pilots don't take action they will recieve the Golden Kneepads as many have recieved before them for their passive ignorance. A recall is simple. The major point is to garner the support of the largest chapters MEC reps and if the vote looks as though it will fail. Demand a Roll Call vote, with the largest Chapters Reps carrying the Majority. If the LEC'c will not follow the wishes of the majority, recall the LEC members and proceed from there.
 
Mel Sharples said:
Well, as a result of this little deal with the devil NWA ALPA and ALPA national have shown their true colors.
"ALPA national" has clearly shown its "true colors" for years. Where have you all been?
Don't you know that "brand scope" has been a scam from day one? Isn't your "leader" the chairman of ALPA national's "scope committee"?

There is nothing "new" about this so why are you surprised? Why are you suddenly complaining that it "hurts" when you've been holidng your ankles for years? What you're getting is the direct result of your own naivete.

Smell the coffee.
 
surplus1 said:
"ALPA national" has clearly shown its "true colors" for years. Where have you all been?
Don't you know that "brand scope" has been a scam from day one? Isn't your "leader" the chairman of ALPA national's "scope committee"?

There is nothing "new" about this so why are you surprised? Why are you suddenly complaining that it "hurts" when you've been holidng your ankles for years? What you're getting is the direct result of your own naivete.

Smell the coffee.
Easy, Francis. I never claimed that this came out of nowhere. I was implying that in recent discussion between the two MEC's they were reitterating brand scope. Notice my comment about the mainline moto. I didn't see, "Gee, guys. We never saw this coming." Just making a point, again, one more time...

Did I expect it to happen? Not really. I'm just harping on the same topic.

So thanks for jumping my ass and putting words in my mouth. Apparently you are all-knowing so next time I will just PM you directly to get all of the answers to life's little problems and save myself the embarrassment of your public tongue lashing.

Good day, sir.


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And there are those who wonder why the RJDC has so much support. The RJDC leaders have been saying all along that "Brand Scope" was all a load of bull.


We now see they were right all along.
 
Catbird said:
It would be prudent to begin a wholesale recall of the MEC members who like being Worthless Rump lickers. The worthless MEC members are boisting their stature at National at the expense of the Mesaba pilots. There is many examples of this corruption slithering around National. If the pilots don't take action they will recieve the Golden Kneepads as many have recieved before them for their passive ignorance. A recall is simple. The major point is to garner the support of the largest chapters MEC reps and if the vote looks as though it will fail. Demand a Roll Call vote, with the largest Chapters Reps carrying the Majority. If the LEC'c will not follow the wishes of the majority, recall the LEC members and proceed from there.
Yes, and their names are as follows. Representing the Socialist Republic of Minnesota - MEC Chair Capt. Tom Wychor, MEC Vice Chair Capt. Scott Patz, and Sec/Tres Capt. Jonathan Marut. LEC Reps Capt. Jeril Metzger, FO Kris Pierson, and Capt Mitch Peecher. (I don't know any of the DTW or MEM reps, so I can't comment) - Notice that only one rep is an FO, ALL the rest are captains. Not one rep on the negotiating committee during last years contract talk was an FO, ALL Captains. I guess in the mind of our MEC, FO's dont have much to contribute to the process?

For example: I know that a resolution was passed unanimously by the LEC reps from DTW and MEM last month and was to be taken to the BOD meeting for a vote. The resolution was drafted by concerned pilots that wanted MEMRAT for any future scope or NW70 language. Of course our socialist ALPA friends up here in MSP didn't want any part of it. So, when it came time to vote on this resolution at the BOD, Wychor pulls a fast one and brings in an ALPA National attorney, who proceeds to rip the resolution to shreds, citing the language isn't strong enough or enforcable. Guess where it ended? In the trash pile !

Isn't it time to put an end to this nitwittery and re-call ALL of our MEC?
 
Yes, and their names are as follows. Representing the Socialist Republic of Minnesota - MEC Chair Capt. Tom Wychor, MEC Vice Chair Capt. Scott Patz, and Sec/Tres Capt. Jonathan Marut. LEC Reps Capt. Jeril Metzger, FO Kris Pierson, and Capt Mitch Peecher. (I don't know any of the DTW or MEM reps, so I can't comment) - Notice that only one rep is an FO, ALL the rest are captains. Not one rep on the negotiating committee during last years contract talk was an FO, ALL Captains. I guess in the mind of our MEC, FO's dont have much to contribute to the process?


Avrodriver....Please tell me you know more about the processes of ALPA leadership than this. If you are seriously in need of answers to the questions you posed you need to sit down and do some thinking about why things are the way they are.

If your MEC is in true need of a recall by all means that should be pursued. Think about what your are going to do without these guys first though. The most important reason why most of these guys are in elected office is that they were first willing to do a job that carries with it little, or no, compensation. Its not easy to find someone who is willing to forgo most of their personal time to deal with the problems of other individuals.

I assume by the amount of complaining that you and Catbird do that you were both denied your attempts to improve your surroundings through elected office. That's unfortunate. I'm sure through your dealings with trying to get elected that you can truly appreciate the personal sacrifices all local and master level ALPA reps make on a daily basis.

Management teams drool at the thought of having a rookie group of ALPA reps in office. If there is anything worse than having corrupted Union leadership its having clueless, inexperienced Union leadership. Be careful of what you wish for. You just might get it.
 

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