ALPA Endorses Kerry

[learherkjay]

1) leave no child behind
REALITY - STILL 45 MILLION UNINSURED

Well, Paul O'Neil wrote a book and said he was an idiot
Bob Woodward wrote a book and said he was an idiot
Richard Clarke, who worked for 5 or 6 presidents quit and wrote a book and said he was an idiot.
According to the book of Deuteronomy, let the truth be established by two or three witnesses.

Joe Wilson, former Irag ambassador, had his wife's secret identity revealed by White house staffers at Bush's request.

He also has now written a book and said Bush is an idiot.

So far the best Sean Hannity can come up with is:

a) he owns an SUV

b) here he is standing beside Daniel ortega days before a critical senate vote on funding for the contas.

c) voted against weapons programs that cheney also was against and most or all of these programs never went to a vote and made it out of committee.

What really amazes me is that somehow he thinks he can get crazy arabs to stop killing each other and reverse what it has taken TEN THOUSAND YEARS to develop.

No child left behind was about education, not insurance

Just because some guys write books, doesn't mean they are right - everyone has a bias

What about 9/11? It is amazing to me that people so easily forget what happened to this country. Bush said three years ago that this would be a long. protracted war unlike any other. So, he was right - the amnesia of people astounds me. So we are taking the fight to them - what would you rather have?

 

[dink]

in 10 yrs of flying 2 pilot airplanes i dont think i have flown with more than 5 Liberals. i just think it is funny reading ALPA's voteing guide and thinking how few pilots will actually use it at the poles! I bet 9 out of 10 on this forum are republican. we are an easy group stereotype!

have a great day......

 

[717pilot]

ALPO... what a joke! Ill take Bush....

 

[bman]

Bush and unions

The presidents record with regard to unions is abismal. Does anyone remember a time before 9/11. You guys remember his liberal usage of the PEB. He screwed those guys at comair. An ALPA carrier (unlike those @ oh say Airtran). With that kind of history why would ALPA endorse this man. As a matter of fact why would any ALPA member?

I think Bush supporter are so rabid in their support of him that they don't really care what his policies actually are. They think he's a great guy! I could care less if he is great honorable guy. I don't want to have him over for dinner.

I don't like John Kerry, but at this point its gonna be ABB (Anybody But Bush)!!!

 

[hoya saxa]

Re: Bush and unions

I could care less if he is great honorable guy.

I don't like John Kerry, but at this point its gonna be ABB (Anybody But Bush)!!!

Well now, THERE'S a well thought-out and reasoned argument! Good news, Hitler's been re-born and has Stalin as his running mate against Bush! Still thinking ABB? At least back up your vitriol with an intelligent argument FOR the opponent. Typical left-wing half-baked rubbish...

 

[TWA Dude]

Bush said three years ago that this would be a long. protracted war unlike any other. So, he was right -

Talk about self-fulfilling prophecy. Perpetuating war with unrealistic goals isn't what most people had in mind. With Saddam out of power is America truly safer? Well, possibly maybe could be, we don't really know.

When Iraq conquered Kuwait there a clear casus belli, cause for war. We all know it was really about oil but at least we knew what the benefit to the U.S. was. With Iraq the justification turned out to be mistaken. Now Iraq is a quagmire because the Islamic extremists who Saddam successfully kept at bay are now taking over. We can leave Iraq now or leave later and the only difference will be the number of U.S. soldiers that die there. Dubya made a collosal blunder by thinking he could make us safer by invading Iraq. When he was elected I feared he would be as bad a president as his father but it turns out he's far, far worse. Maybe the Republicans will get smart and nominate somebody more sensible in August.

 

[climbhappy]

learherkjay:

he also mentioned no uninsured children many times. The media is just as biased right as it is left these days. no shortage with scarborough, hannity, o reily

tim russert, chris matthews are the only gifted interviewers on TV

What about 9/11? sure go after al Qaida. Bush showed good leadership. But he screwed up big time on irag. the wrong motive. clean up daddy's mess.

lied or ( listened to his stupid subordinates re: nigerian uranium.
did the carrier landing, the biggest screw up: oil from iraq would pay for the country's rebuilding. Now, another 55 billion proposed for fiscal 05.

obviously, now we must finish what we started. hopefully with the fewest soldiers lost

with the economy growing, i don't know if kerry can beat bush frankly, and his staffers are quite worried that his numbers havn't risen amid bushes dropoff. i don't know if he's electable

 

[HoursHore]

Now Iraq is a quagmire because the Islamic extremists who Saddam successfully kept at bay are now taking over. We can leave Iraq now or leave later and the only difference will be the number of U.S. soldiers that die there. Dubya made a collosal blunder by thinking he could make us safer by invading Iraq.

The war has been going on for 13 years. We have been over there with Southern Watch and Northern Watch for 13 years, while Sadam was flipping Sams at coalition Aircraft. how long were we going to do that. Forever?

If you think that the Middle East isn't ready for democracy, you may be right. But we tried the other way of hoping they'd bring themselves out of the 12th century and that didn't work. So now 9/11 has forced us to use a new tack. Thank God Bush has the balls to continue with it no matter how much handwringing the pantywaists defeatists do. I wish he would confront Saudi Arabia more about theie role in 9/11, but at least the War in iraq got us out of that place by eliminating the no fly zones and thus the need for PSAB.

By the way more people will die this memorial day weekend on our nations highways than have died from combat in Iraq. Not to diminsh any one of thier deaths, but to give it a little perspective.

 

[AV8OR]

"It is the governments duty to take care of its own people."

Really. Outside of providing a national defense for the country, would you like to support that statement with a a quote from the Constitution? Furthermore, since the "government" is "we the people", if you are a citizen of the USA, it's YOUR duty to take care of your "own people".

 

[Spur]

We can leave Iraq now or leave later and the only difference will be the number of U.S. soldiers that die there.

I find it amazing (and disgusting) how all of a sudden so many people (liberals) are so concerned about "soldiers" lives, when for the past 20 years they couldn't give a sh!t how many died in khobar towers, Riyahd, Mog, on the Cole, etc....

 

[bman]

hoya

When deciding between Charybdis and Scylla, which do you choose? So anyone who doesn't like Bush must be some left-wing, pinko, commie right? That just cracks me up!! Watching too much Fox news can turn your brain into oatmeal.

I don't really care for John Kerry's style. I don't want to invite him over for dinner, but he is a well spoken guy who seems to really try and look at issues before him. Can you say the same about the president?

I am opposed to most of the presidents policies.

Tax cuts while trying to fight a war?! This doesn't make any sense. Share the sacrafice. My family members have to go fight and republicans don't want to pay their fair share for a war they support. Come on.

Pre-emptive war- So let me get this straight. I think you might want to kill me, so I decide to walk over to you house and shoot you. Uh, yeah, that would hold up in a court of law.

The war on Terror- Republican presidents are always declaring war on nouns. The war on drugs (Thanks Ron!!have we won that one yet?) The war on poverty(Yep we kick its a$$ right?!). You cannot fight Ideology with guns and bombs. War is nessicary, but it should be the last resort and it should be apllied to apporpriate problems.

"Freedom is a gift from the Almighty"- Freedom isn't a gift. Freedom isn't free. We should not consider expending the blood of our young men to give a gift to people who didn't ask for it and don't seem to want it. The president believes the first statement and he is wrong.


Israel- Screw them!! They wanna claim manifest destiny to a piece of dirt, let them do that on their own. They have no more right to that land than the Indians have a right to take back america from us. If not for us that state would not exsist and we wouldn't have so many problems with the Radical islamist. Why does my government care so much? Let Israel get support from someone else. Oh I forgot no one else will. I am not anti-semitic. I just don't care. They can exsist just not on my dime.

There's whole list of things, but what this thread was about was ALPA endorsing a democrat against a president who is so vehmently anti-labor/union. ABB, nader would be better too!!
PEBs, overtime rollbacks, where does it end?

I love america and those who defend it. Show me a real fight and I am behind you all the way.

 

[Spur]

Pre-emptive war- So let me get this straight. I think you might want to kill me, so I decide to walk over to you house and shoot you. Uh, yeah, that would hold up in a court of law.

A better analogy would be:

You have already killed my neighbor. I see you beating you children. You keep taking pot shots at me as I walk by. After 12 years of this I finally grow the balls required to do what should have been done in the first place.

I love america and those who defend it. Show me a real fight and I am behind you all the way.

Behind me? Maybe so... just running the other way.

 

[dh82dvr]

Good analogy. If you knew that someone in your neigbourhood was abusing their family and threatening neighbours, would you do something about it, or would you be unable until they did something to you personally?

 

[bman]

Spur

You insult me with no cause. That says alot about your character. The first Iraq war wasn't "Required". The sanctions imposed on Iraq weren't "Required". The removal of Saddam Hussien wasn't "Required". That is the whole point two wars waged and tweleve years of military action pre- and post as matter of policy driven by something other than nesscessity.

I think that those who choose to serve are brave and deserve respect and admiration. But bad policy is bad policy and our policies in the Mid East are atrocious and self serving.

 

[Spur]

Less of an insult than an observation. There is a real fight going on whether you agree with it or not. Get behind it, get it done, show some unity and stop providing moral support to the enemy by attacking ourselves during the fight.

 

[SWA GUY]

I read Bob Woodward's book, it was pretty complimentary of the President and his cabinet and their anaylsis for going to war.

Why shouldn't the rich get a tax break? They are the folks that are paying 37% of their earned income to fund the country. Also, they are the folks that create jobs by way of investments and businesses.

I got a tax break and I'm not in the top tax brackets. I didn't put the money in my tank, I used it to fund my IRA. And I was **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** thankful to have the money.

500 Billion dollar deficit. Right now it's keeping our economy safe from deflation. Also, our current deficit is a lower percentage versus our GDP than we had in the 70's. And when have the Democrats EVER worried about a deficit in the past. I'll remind you dems that the we entered recession BEFORE the Bush administration was even in office.

Notice Kerry hasn't been beating the drum on jobs and economic growth lately? Wonder why? The economy has picked up nicely and the job growth has been very good, with economists saying it looks like it will continue. I guess supply-side economics does work.

Health care for everyone? I can not imagine a more socialistic idea. How about this: You work and pay for your own health care. Pull your own weight, that's what Capitolism is all about. This is NOT Holland, France, Germany, Russia or Belgium.

Illegal imigration problems? Yup, we got em and both sides don't want to address the problem as they don't want to look like they are shutting out potential future voters. Both parties need to be head slapped on this problem.

What's going on in Iraq?

Positives first: Saddam is gone. Schools are open. Electricity is on. Water is running. Hospitols are open. Banks are open. New currency(without Saddam's face on it). They have their own stock market! Oil is flowing(with the exception of the occassional disruption by the insurgeants). Saddam is not gassing and murdering any more of his own people or neighbors.

Negatives: 7-12 US Soldiers embarrassed the country by doing some stupid stuff. No one got killed though. US soldiers continue to die, and it is a sad thing but this is WAR.

Yes I have a relative in the Marine Corps over there and he says things are going well. He has even re-upped. He says they no longer watch CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS because it's bad for morale and 99% of what they say is NOT true. Let's not forget that Saddam had 12 years and 14 UN resolutions (including 1441) to disarm and provide proof that he destroyed his WMD (which by the way he admitted to having), he thumbed his nose at the entire world.

I will always stand up for the right thing and not be swayed or bribed to do the wrong thing. Unfortunately France, Germany, and Russia can not say or do the same thing. You are either honest or you are not, there is no gray area in honesty.

Where are all the people that were saying that this war was all about oil? Has the US seen one drop of Iraqi oil? Has the US made one dollar off Iraqi oil? Personally I think we should split the proceeds right down the middle, 60-40. That wasn't the deal however, and we're sticking to the deal.

For the people that make the argument that there have been no WMD found: They are either in Syria, Iran or buried under the desert in a country the size of California. Sooner or later they will be found. I guess the ricin laden 155 shell that was used against our troops is a lie too.

HC

 

[SWA GUY]

Friday May 28, 2004
Associated Press.

WASHINGTON_—_Consumers — whose behavior plays a crucial role in shaping economic activity — increased their spending in April by a solid 0.3 percent, a good signal that the recovery remained firmly rooted as it entered the current quarter.


The increase reported by the_Commerce Department (search)_on Friday came after a brisk 0.5 percent advance in March and suggested that consumers continued to do their part to support the economy.


Americans' incomes, meanwhile, rose by a strong 0.6 percent in April, marking the largest gain since January 2001. The growth in income last month, which followed a 0.4 percent rise in March, was especially encouraging because that is the fuel for spending in the future.


The income and spending figures are not adjusted for price changes.


Consumer spending (search)_accounts for roughly two-thirds of all economic activity in the United States. It is a critical factor in shaping the strength of the economy's recovery.


The latest snapshot of consumer activity was slightly better than economists were expecting. They were forecasting spending to go up by 0.2 percent and incomes to grow by 0.5 percent in April.


The economy grew at a healthy 4.4 percent annual rate in the January-to-March quarter of this year, helped out by consumers, who spent at a decent pace.


Looking ahead, some analysts believe higher energy prices could dampen consumer spending, thus slowing the economy a bit in the current April-to-June quarter. Some economists are estimating second-quarter growth to be in the range of a 3.5 percent to 4 percent pace — which would still be a good performance.


Others, however, estimate second-quarter growth will clock in from a 4 percent to 4.5 percent pace. A few believe growth could be as high as a 5 percent pace.


The latest projections, in some cases, were lowered from previous estimates to take into account the impact of higher energy costs and higher long-term interest rates, including those for mortgages, on consumer spending and other economic activity.


In April, consumers increased their spending on "durable" goods — costly manufactured items such as cars and appliances — by 0.8 percent, down a bit from a 1 percent gain in March.


Spending on "nondurables," such as food and clothes, actually dipped in April by 0.1 percent, compared with a 0.9 percent rise the month before. Spending on services, which includes gas and electric utilities, went up by 0.5 percent in April, following a 0.3 percent increase.


With income growth outpacing spending, the nation's personal savings rate —savings as a percentage of after-tax incomes — rose to 2.4 percent in April, the highest rate since last August and up from 2.2 percent in March.


A growing number of economists are predicting the_Federal Reserve (search)_will raise a key short-term interest rate, now at a 46-year low of 1 percent, when it meets next month. The Fed's main rate has been at an ultra low level since last. With inflation stirring, economists believe it is now time for the central bank to begin to nudge that rate up to make sure inflation doesn't get out of control.

 

[schafjet]

I read Bob Woodward's book, it was pretty complimentary of the President and his cabinet and their anaylsis for going to war.

Why shouldn't the rich get a tax break? They are the folks that are paying 37% of their earned income to fund the country. Also, they are the folks that create jobs by way of investments and businesses.

I got a tax break and I'm not in the top tax brackets. I didn't put the money in my tank, I used it to fund my IRA. And I was **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** thankful to have the money.

500 Billion dollar deficit. Right now it's keeping our economy safe from deflation. Also, our current deficit is a lower percentage versus our GDP than we had in the 70's. And when have the Democrats EVER worried about a deficit in the past. I'll remind you dems that the we entered recession BEFORE the Bush administration was even in office.

Notice Kerry hasn't been beating the drum on jobs and economic growth lately? Wonder why? The economy has picked up nicely and the job growth has been very good, with economists saying it looks like it will continue. I guess supply-side economics does work.

Health care for everyone? I can not imagine a more socialistic idea. How about this: You work and pay for your own health care. Pull your own weight, that's what Capitolism is all about. This is NOT Holland, France, Germany, Russia or Belgium.

Illegal imigration problems? Yup, we got em and both sides don't want to address the problem as they don't want to look like they are shutting out potential future voters. Both parties need to be head slapped on this problem.

What's going on in Iraq?

Positives first: Saddam is gone. Schools are open. Electricity is on. Water is running. Hospitols are open. Banks are open. New currency(without Saddam's face on it). They have their own stock market! Oil is flowing(with the exception of the occassional disruption by the insurgeants). Saddam is not gassing and murdering any more of his own people or neighbors.

Negatives: 7-12 US Soldiers embarrassed the country by doing some stupid stuff. No one got killed though. US soldiers continue to die, and it is a sad thing but this is WAR.

Yes I have a relative in the Marine Corps over there and he says things are going well. He has even re-upped. He says they no longer watch CNN/NBC/ABC/CBS because it's bad for morale and 99% of what they say is NOT true. Let's not forget that Saddam had 12 years and 14 UN resolutions (including 1441) to disarm and provide proof that he destroyed his WMD (which by the way he admitted to having), he thumbed his nose at the entire world.

I will always stand up for the right thing and not be swayed or bribed to do the wrong thing. Unfortunately France, Germany, and Russia can not say or do the same thing. You are either honest or you are not, there is no gray area in honesty.

Where are all the people that were saying that this war was all about oil? Has the US seen one drop of Iraqi oil? Has the US made one dollar off Iraqi oil? Personally I think we should split the proceeds right down the middle, 60-40. That wasn't the deal however, and we're sticking to the deal.

For the people that make the argument that there have been no WMD found: They are either in Syria, Iran or buried under the desert in a country the size of California. Sooner or later they will be found. I guess the ricin laden 155 shell that was used against our troops is a lie too.

HC

Didn't put it in your tank? Wanna bet, you say you put it in an IRA, maybe directly, but indirectly it went in your tank. How much did you get in the tax cut? How much more has gone into paying for your energy needs? Car, boat, motorcycle, home heating? I bet you spent about as much as you got back in that tax break.

You really shouldn't compare(GDP) things now as to how things were in the 70's unless you want to prove the oppositions point. You may not be old enough, but the 70's weren't a great time fiscally. Energy crisis and the emergence from the Vietnam war. Things back then were tough.

Health care for everyone. I agree, people should work and pay for it themselves. However, healthcare is getting so expensive that even us rich pilots are feeling the pinch. How do you think people that work just as hard as you and I but make much less are paying for their healthcare?

The war? Well, it happened, let's get it done and done right. I have mixed emotions about the war. Was it right or wrong? I don't know.

Kerry is not the answer, Neither is Bush. We don't need to be nation building, we need to be character building, starting with our leaders.

 

[Publishers]

Perfect Match

It is a perfect match, two entities both trying desparately to be all things to all people and failing miserably.

 

[SWA GUY]

I'm not seeing the argument you are making between tax cuts and fuel prices.

As far as telling you how much I got back due to the taxcut, sorry my finances are a private matter.

Why do you think President Bush is not a good leader?

Is it because we didn't do what the French, Russians, or Germans(All of whom were making billions from illegal business deals with Saddam) wanted us to do?

Is he not a good leader for making the moral descision to remove a psychopath killer from his tyrranical postion.

Is he not a good leader because he enacted an economic stimulus plan to get the country back on it's feet? Which btw is working perty dern good.

Is he not a good leader for letting Ted Kennedy write the education reform bill? I would have never done this because no matter how nice you try to be to the Dems, and how much you extend your selve trying to get them to work with you, they bite you.

Is he not a good leader because he created the Homeland Security Dept so that the FBI and the CIA were forced to share sensitive information vital to protecting US citizens? Unlike a previous administration that cut funding to all intelligence agencies, and promoted the idea of not sharing info that may help protect US citizens.

Is he not a good leader for signing the Medicare Reform Bill which was a bi-partisan effort to help reduce healthcare costs in this country?

I'd like to hear more from you, but I don't want to hear the daily talking points from the Trial Lawyers Assn. of America, Hollywood, Air America staff, or Michael Moore. I need real stuff.

Looking forward to your reply.

HC