ALPA chest thumpers

[HA25]

So Rez why should pilots that already pay 2% of their paycheck have to pay one cent more to get things done in Wash D.C? I can see them not being able to support candidates with union dues money. Having to donate money just to get your voice heard when that is ALPAs job in the first place? Thats f'in retarded. Why the %(#)( should pilots have to keep forking over money? You guys wonder why ALPA will never get voted in at SkyWest. I am the true voice of the SkyWest pilots. We all know that ALPA just wants our money and nothing more. Why else would they be doing this full court press to sucker us into voting them in? BTW a union in todays world is useless. Deregulation is in full swing, the economy drives the market now not the unions. Personally I think it is fantastic that pilots haven't been allowed the right to strike in quite some time.

You're the DO for which airline again?

 

[OPECJet]

Skywest does not fly 70 seat jets at 50 seat rates. They are flying 70 seats jets at an amazingly low rate.

 

[Shrek]

So Rez why should pilots that already pay 2% of their paycheck have to pay one cent more to get things done in Wash D.C? I can see them not being able to support candidates with union dues money. Having to donate money just to get your voice heard when that is ALPAs job in the first place? Thats f'in retarded. Why the %(#)( should pilots have to keep forking over money? You guys wonder why ALPA will never get voted in at SkyWest. I am the true voice of the SkyWest pilots. We all know that ALPA just wants our money and nothing more. Why else would they be doing this full court press to sucker us into voting them in? BTW a union in todays world is useless. Deregulation is in full swing, the economy drives the market now not the unions. Personally I think it is fantastic that pilots haven't been allowed the right to strike in quite some time.

YOU my friend are clueless - which in of itself is a natural place to be with your experience. Everybody has to start somewhere in this industry in regards to experience but to actually have the balls to say YOU are the "voice" of Skywest pilots is ridiculous.

NEVER complain about how much you make the next time Oakleys don't go on sale or the price of hair dye for your spikey hair goes up. If you actually CON a poor girl to actually marry you and you want a little security for your family - I think you will reconsider this post but if you get your way now - there WILL be no more Unions and you will be an at will employee with no wages and no future.........have fun with that.

THANK God that you are NOT THE VOICE of all pilots and you are a minute segment of this industry........we have lists for people like you.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Yup... if you want this career to be better you need to pay attention to the palyground; CapHill. Want to be a player at the play ground or just a spectator? As a spectator you can watch the players kick and pass your career around...as you do nothing but watch...
Or you can play. Gotta pay to play. ALPA-PAC or CAPA-PAC.

What do I when I see one team on the playground making the rules up in their favor against the other team? I go grab a bull dozer and plow the whole fvckin' field over and shut it down! GAME OVER!

An all out strike would get Capitol Hill's attention. It would say pretty clearly "The RLA needs to be repealed, Pilot's aren't taking this lightly"
ALPA is all volunteers, they don't need the money. Pilots have cell phones/e-mail to keep in touch with eachother.

 

[CopilotDoug]

You can ask all you want. Who is going to do it? They guy that is getting the "look" from his wife as he volunteers another day away from family?

If I adopt your indifferent attitude towards the quality and progression of the career in general...Fvck this guy and his wife. No one told the selfish baztard to go get a family! This guy wants a career AND a family?!? Did someone forget to tell little Lord Fontleroy that he couldn't have his cake and eat it too? Fvck HIM for having goals! I hate these pretentious, up tight, own-butt-smelling, yuppie azzholes for having aspirations and expectations! The gall! Halelujah and Holy $hit! Where's the Aspirin?

Consider the stupid guys your buffer zone. If they fire them then the next level of stupid is fair game... then they get fired. How smart you are depends on how quick they get to you.....

Hey, if you wanna beliebve that "they" are coming after you...by all means, have at it. I'm not mocking you. Seriously.

Rez, I'm not anti-Union. The way some of these people on here tell it, it is the job of management to fire it's employees, so thank the Almighty for the creation of ALPA. I just think (and know) each airline with it's own Union would be more efficient than ALPA. If the ex-ALPA members still want to gather around after work and go play "Union" by all means jumpseat out to DC and have at it. It wouldn't be a problem since ALPA is all volunteers anyway.

Case in Point: American Airlines and Southwest Airlines; neither went into bankruptcy

Case Closed

End Communication

 

[JoeMerchant]

Let's just clear one thing up Rez.........I am and always will be ALPA. I was TSA MEC and the first line of that post was taken out of context - I was educating the lad on how things work at National and Capital Hill with a little RLA thrown in........

Carry on.......

How's that ALPA thing working out for TSA? Maybe time for ALPA to define "alter-ego" again.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

WRONG!

If you need to be schooled then hit "quote"

He's not wrong Rez, that is how it works. It pays more to be full time ALPA. I know, as I have done it....

 

[Occam's Razor]

How's that ALPA thing working out for TSA? Maybe time for ALPA to define "alter-ego" again.....

Dunno. How 'bout FDX?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Rez I think he is one of those RJDC guys. Poor soul...... The reason I think so is that he is an ASA guy. Those guys had it good because of their dedication to ALPA and now they are fighting to keep it. ASA is a good company because of ALPAs leadership and their pilot unity. Delta guys see it too thats why they are pref. hiring them. They agreed to help fellow ALPA pilots out in need. Skywest is going to love flying 70+ seat jets for 50 seat pay, at least ASA has a say.

What???? ASA has never been "dedicated to ALPA". In 1998, we had to fight ALPA just to get what we have now. In 2000 we tried to form true "brand scope" with CMR and DAL, but ALPA said no.

Does ASA have a say if we don't have scope? What say did ACA, Mesaba, CMR, or ALG have?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Dunno. How 'bout FDX?

Point of clarification?

 

[TurboAWD]

How's that ALPA thing working out for TSA? Maybe time for ALPA to define "alter-ego" again.....

Uh, ALPA national legal told TSA to take the deal. That their MEC decided to fight a loosing battle was their decision.

Turbo

 

[Shrek]

How's that ALPA thing working out for TSA? Maybe time for ALPA to define "alter-ego" again.....

Kinda surprising comment coming from an ASA pilot......no a Skywest Holdings pilot

 

[BigMeat]

What???? ASA has never been "dedicated to ALPA". In 1998, we had to fight ALPA just to get what we have now. In 2000 we tried to form true "brand scope" with CMR and DAL, but ALPA said no.

Does ASA have a say if we don't have scope? What say did ACA, Mesaba, CMR, or ALG have?

What did you tell ALPA:

ASA Pilot: "We need better pay for the equipment we fly!"

ASA ALPA: "No. You guys make too much as it is. There are millions of you willing to take this job so you will get a sucky contract!"

I dont buy it. What does ACA have to do with anything and scope? They are not the mothership so they didnt call all the shots on who got the flying.

Mesaba? You are joking right. They had the a very good contract. Reason is a strong union over there. Those guys are militant.

You know Joe why dont you vote all unions out so that we have no voice. Then watch as Ornstein has your sorry ass flying around a barbie jet for 50k. You really must get on here for attention or something. I want to see you start a drive at ASA to remove all bargaining power. No? Then you are a hypocrite. Better yet, I thought you were one of those RJDC supporters right? Tell me Im wrong.

 

[siucavflight]

What has ALPA done for you, EVER? Besides take your money and delay your contract for 5+ years.

If this is a serious question and not flame bait then I am afraid you really are not that informed. Who is going to get your job back when the company decides to fire you for no reason?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So Rez why should pilots that already pay 2% of their paycheck have to pay one cent more to get things done in Wash D.C?

I didn't invent the game or make up the rules. Why do you have to pay taxes, work, get out of bed and breathe?

Smart people realize that this is the way it is both the CapHill Game and life in general... that these things cannot be directly and instantly controlled.

I can see them not being able to support candidates with union dues money. Having to donate money just to get your voice heard when that is ALPAs job in the first place? Thats f'in retarded. Why the %(#)( should pilots have to keep forking over money? .

Not sure why you have to ask the same question twice. I "heard" you the first time. See my above reply.

 

[ohplease!]

If this is a serious question and not flame bait then I am afraid you really are not that informed. Who is going to get your job back when the company decides to fire you for no reason?

happens ALL THE TIME too, right? Nobody gets fired for any legitimate reason. Its ALWAYS for no reason at all.....please give REZ back his crack pipe. Or ALPA koolaid mug. Whichever.

 

[siucavflight]

happens ALL THE TIME too, right? Nobody gets fired for any legitimate reason. Its ALWAYS for no reason at all.....please give REZ back his crack pipe. Or ALPA koolaid mug. Whichever.

Yes, it does happen all of the time, most companies fire first ask questions later. But whatever I am not saying that you should be an ALPA member, I am just saying that I sleep better at night knowing that I have some protection.

 

[ohplease!]

Yes, it does happen all of the time, most companies fire first ask questions later. But whatever I am not saying that you should be an ALPA member, I am just saying that I sleep better at night knowing that I have some protection.

I've been at a lot of places and I've never, not once, seen someone get fired for nothing. Maybe for something I personally thought should NOT have gotten them fired but NEVER for nothing.

 

[DrewBlows]

happens ALL THE TIME too, right? Nobody gets fired for any legitimate reason. Its ALWAYS for no reason at all.....please give REZ back his crack pipe. Or ALPA koolaid mug. Whichever.

I have a friend who was fired from a non-ALPA carrier. The company refused to tell him why he was fired, or even give him the courtesy of a face-to-face meeting to discuss it. He thinks it has something to do with a letter which found it's way to the FAA detailing the company's pilot pushing and refusal to adhere to duty time regulations. The bottom line is he has no recourse or even a story to tell, detailing why he was fired, at future interviews. To kick a guy while he was down, the company refused his unemployment insurance and appealed when the State ruled in my friend's favor. That's a class operation and a prime example of why ALPA is needed in this business.

 

[Occam's Razor]

I've been at a lot of places and I've never, not once, seen someone get fired for nothing. Maybe for something I personally thought should NOT have gotten them fired but NEVER for nothing.

How 'bout this one: We had a pilot terminated for allegedly using a racial epithet at a bar in Amsterdam.

Turns out the pilot who actually used the word in the bar was a member of the accuser's race.

The investigation that cleared the accused pilot's name, and returned him to his job, was done entirely by ALPA. Management never lifted a finger, citing their committment to "zero tolerance".

In this case, someone was fired. It wasn't for nothing...it was for "cause". The exactlies brought the innocent, but fired nonetheless, pilot back.

How much is that worth?

 

[siucavflight]

I've been at a lot of places and I've never, not once, seen someone get fired for nothing. Maybe for something I personally thought should NOT have gotten them fired but NEVER for nothing.

Maybe not as many as you think. It happens all of the time, and ALPA is very good at getting your job back.

 

[BigMeat]

happens ALL THE TIME too, right? Nobody gets fired for any legitimate reason. Its ALWAYS for no reason at all.....please give REZ back his crack pipe. Or ALPA koolaid mug. Whichever.

YOU are part of the problem. You are not offering a solution. I would rather be smoking crack with REZ than be pissing and moaning like you. People like you eat up alot of union time trying to show you why we need your support instead of working on bettering things. People like you need somone to smooth your ego. If you pay dues then help. If you choose not to then it is your choice. If you choose to bitch and moan and pay dues and take away quality time from our volunteer ALPA group because you dont understand why you are not making 150k flying an RJ, then you have a problem. If you want to better things then fight for it and dont point fingers at those who are trying.

Proud to be an ALPA CHEST THUMPER (its better than the alternative)

Bigmeat

 

[ohplease!]

I have a friend who was fired from a non-ALPA carrier. The company refused to tell him why he was fired, or even give him the courtesy of a face-to-face meeting to discuss it. He thinks it has something to do with a letter which found it's way to the FAA detailing the company's pilot pushing and refusal to adhere to duty time regulations. The bottom line is he has no recourse or even a story to tell, detailing why he was fired, at future interviews. To kick a guy while he was down, the company refused his unemployment insurance and appealed when the State ruled in my friend's favor. That's a class operation and a prime example of why ALPA is needed in this business.

yeah. everybody has a "friend" that got fired for "no reason"...I think you've all had way too much alpa wine/koolaid/whiskey/cookies/crack/whatever. I think you've got a bad case of Stockholm syndrome and alpa is your captor.

Its alright though. A guy has to have something to believe in I guess. Rock on!

 

[ohplease!]

YOU are part of the problem. You are not offering a solution. I would rather be smoking crack with REZ than be pissing and moaning like you. People like you eat up alot of union time trying to show you why we need your support instead of working on bettering things. People like you need somone to smooth your ego. If you pay dues then help. If you choose not to then it is your choice. If you choose to bitch and moan and pay dues and take away quality time from our volunteer ALPA group because you dont understand why you are not making 150k flying an RJ, then you have a problem. If you want to better things then fight for it and dont point fingers at those who are trying.

Proud to be an ALPA CHEST THUMPER (its better than the alternative)

Bigmeat

I'm not complaining or pointing fingers. I just think you hardliner types are nuts. But you're a great source of entertainment on a boring overnight.

 

[siucavflight]

Everyone does have a friend.
Eagle crew Jan 2nd 2006, out of San Louis Obispo fired for picking up ice in an aircraft that had a deferred anti ice system, icing conditions encountered, plane out of contral, pilots did a fantastic job recovering and saving everyones life, fired the next day, thanks to ALPA they come back to work next monday.

 

[ohplease!]

Everyone does have a friend.
Eagle crew Jan 2nd 2006, out of San Louis Obispo fired for picking up ice in an aircraft that had a deferred anti ice system, icing conditions encountered, plane out of contral, pilots did a fantastic job recovering and saving everyones life, fired the next day, thanks to ALPA they come back to work next monday.

took off into icing conditions without anti ice? hmmm. I'd like to see their mel book. I know ours would not allow flight into known or forcast icing conditions.

Please tell me theres more to that story...

 

[CopilotDoug]

That's a class operation and a prime example of why ALPA is needed in this business.

ALPA? Or just a Union? As Ohplease stated, there is deffinitely a faction of hardline fanatical ALPA supporters on this thread.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I didn't invent the game or make up the rules. Why do you have to pay taxes, work, get out of bed and breathe?

And sometimes when there is taxation without representation, you need a Boston Tea Party and a Revolution. Some of us tired of playing games.... it isn't a game....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Uh, ALPA national legal told TSA to take the deal. That their MEC decided to fight a loosing battle was their decision.

Turbo

Doesn't alter the fact that ALPA isn't working at TSA. You can push the blame around, but there is only one ALPA. I agree they should have taken the deal and combined the two groups.

 

[CopilotDoug]

Smart people realize that this is the way it is both the CapHill Game and life in general... that these things cannot be directly and instantly controlled.

What kind of beaten down attitude is that?!? You'll probably come back and say, "It's a realistic attitude." or "It's the Law"
And you're calling other people "Sheep" ???

This is why the regionals SUCK. You have a Union with weak leadership telling the pilots "That's the way it is, we can't change it" For some reason though, the leaders can't be rotated out too soon because they have SOOO much experience which is a prerequisite to hold a leadership position with ALPA. Sounds like good job security at a cushy position to me. As DXRick said, these guys are looking to get out of their flying to get paid more. The regionals should give ALPA the boot and set up their own in house Union...a REAL union.