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From the American Eagle MEC Hotline

1.Eagle Captain Reinstated by Arbitrator

On January 2nd, 2006 one of Eagle’s professional flight crews encountered severe icing while climbing out of San Louis Obispo airport. While in the process of deicing an aircraft with a deferred auto deice system, the aircraft unexpectedly stalled at a higher speed than expected. The experience and composure of these two airmen saved a complete hull loss and the lives of all aboard.

Unfortunately, despite the FAA’s vindication of these two airmen, the company chose to terminate both pilots. We are pleased to announce that the Arbitrator has found that the company’s punitive actions were completely unwarranted. He has therefore put the Captain back to work with full restoration of back pay for all loss of income. Unfortunately, when threatened with termination, the First Officer resigned his position to protect his aviation career and because he was probationary at the time, did not have access to the grievance process for terminations.

This is the third time in as many years that the company has improperly terminated pilots only to have their jobs restored by an Arbitrator with back pay. There can be no doubt that the company’s archaic mindset of achieving compliance through punishment rather than education has had a dramatic negative effect on the pilots of American Eagle and their willingness to help the corporation.

Recently, ALPA proposed that the company change its practice and move to a system of education and have thus far received a receptive response. We will continue to push forward and hope that logic will prevail over habit.
 
I've been hanging out at some free ALPA dinners and even though I talk alot-I try to listen. Alot of of guys from different MEC's attending.Most of them asking us (non-union) guys questions. i.e. My company wants to implement PBS in our next contract, What are the pros and cons. One of the reps told us he was talking to several PBS vendors and based on his research would make the recomendationto the Co. of which one to go with. Sure seems to me this guy is doing something for his pilot group.

Now for you bashers- Why don't you lose the welfare mentality and quit asking what govt., mgmt., a union, or some other social service can do for you. Whether you like unions or not, your whining does nothing unless you are contributing something to help your plight. If your not part of the solution, you might be part of the problem.

Quote from JFK- Ask not what your (I would hope you know the rest).
 
What has ALPA done for you, EVER? Besides take your money and delay your contract for 5+ years.

Sure sport, it's all ALPA's fault. Could never be that the RLA greatly favors management, and of course management hasn't been dragging this out either has it?

You have a choice. Go to a non-union carrier if you despise ALPA. Good luck when you have a medical problem, legal troubles, or an incident/accident though. ALPA's not perfect, but it's the best we have available to us.

I think many of you don't relalize that the current contract at ASA and what we have was fought for and gained by ALPA. If not for ALPA, we wouldn't have CX pay, 4 weeks of vacation (given to all ASA employess too btw), 12 hour call out when your trip is taken for training, and on and on. Think about that.

Hoser
 
  • I like how ALPA, part of the AFL-CIO, has stopped legislators from making "a legal job action, ie a strike" a felony and a disqualifying criminal act for employment.
  • I also like how ALPA has stopped legislators from changing the status of all captains to supervisory and thus managment. Negating the ability to belong to a union, function as employee under the CBA and its work rules.
You don't hear too much about that do you...... not connected....???


Why does everyone have to have blank/white, yes/no, good/bad....

This isn't high school girls where you have to cirlce one: Do you like ALPA? yes or no.

ALPA is an organization made up of people. People aren't always righteous nor do they get up everyday to make your life a Walgreens commercial. (perfect).

As Air Line Pilots we consider ourselves leaders, but when it comes to being union members we turn into sheep. Get your heads out of the sod and effect positive change. The opportunies are there.. you just have to quit complaining, adopt a pragmatic, realistic attitude and take a leadership mindset.


No, they're not what they used to be,
How were they "used to be?"



I'd rather be screwed by ALPA on occasion, than be managements total gimp.
 
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Now for you bashers- Why don't you lose the welfare mentality and quit asking what govt., mgmt., a union, or some other social service can do for you. Whether you like unions or not, your whining does nothing unless you are contributing something to help your plight. If your not part of the solution, you might be part of the problem.

bump....
 
Let's see, of the top of my head:

Prevented the company from lowering gaurentee (this alone worth >2%)
Prevented the company from increasing health care costs (this alone worth >2%)
Prevented the company from imposing a 5% pay cut for CA's.
Prevented the company from implementing Pref bid with no warning, no training, and no trial runs.
Helped MANY people get their jobs back (MOST of whom didn't deserve termination)
Years and years and years of helping to make regulations, airplanes, and airports safer.

And lots more.

If you don't like the way things are run at your MEC, volunteer. I bet you haven't even called your rep to discuss your problems with the association, have you? If not, then STFU, pay your 2%, and keep watching from the cheep seats.

Turbo
 
What has ALPA done for you, EVER? Besides take your money and delay your contract for 5+ years.

Ever ride the jumpseat on an offline carrier? Who do you think got jumpseat agreements started?
 
I read these boards and I hear the ALPA guys saying there isn't any turn outs for meetings or roadshows, or "instead of bitching, help with volunteering" Maybe there is a reason. When I talk to the guys online, they all say "Make your own opinion about ALPA, but I personally thing they don't do sh!t!"

I have met a far more Anti-ALPA guys on the line, than Pro union guys. I asked my last captain why that was. He said "You will never find a Union guy flying. Just trying to figure out another way of doing nothing, and getting paid for it"

Being new to a Union, I haven't gather much positive about ALPA. Most guys are hostile. From our "meet and greet" when I was a new hire, the Union guys did not come off well to the guys in my class. The first thing they did was hand us the paperwork to fill out the info for when they start collecting dues. When question what the dues entailed, they just said "services"....Sweet, does that include services from the Asian chick with happy endings?

THey left us with a bad impression, and if I was a pro-ALPA guy I would be embarrassed by the way these guys represented the union. They looked like they we're out partying all night. Dressed in a uniform they looked like they hadn't washed it in ages, yellowed and wrinkled. We thought they had just gotten day with a 5 day trip, but it turns out they had that day off.
Ontop of it, they spent 45 minutes of constantly repeating themselves "Alpa good, company bad!" Thats all we got out of it. The guy talking couldnt even complete a full sentence. Maybe he was a nervous public speaker.

Hell, I sent the IT department an email trying to get a password for the website....havent even gotten a response back in 2 weeks.
 
Dx Rick......you should have e-mailed your respective Membership Commitee Chairman or LEC Rep. Try that first...........
 
Yeah ALPO takes care of pilots...like the 2 drunks at AWA. Those 2 should have been left out dry. They forfieted they're protection by doing something that stupid. I'm still flabbergasted by that.
Oh and they took my union dues to campaign for a candidate I totally opposed. And they allowed the whole job to go to he!! in a handbasket while Duane Woerth(less) was sparing no effort writing stern letters about lasers. What better way to spend 3%!
No, they're not what they used to be, but I guess that's still better than working non-shop. A weak union is better than no union.

Just to clear this one up - ALPA PAC contributes money to campaigns - ALPA PAC gets all of their funds from donations.........NOT 1 CENT is taken from member dues.

You knew that right?! Or did you assume?
 
Let's see, of the top of my head:

Prevented the company from lowering gaurentee (this alone worth >2%)
Prevented the company from increasing health care costs (this alone worth >2%)
Prevented the company from imposing a 5% pay cut for CA's.
Prevented the company from implementing Pref bid with no warning, no training, and no trial runs.
Helped MANY people get their jobs back (MOST of whom didn't deserve termination)
Years and years and years of helping to make regulations, airplanes, and airports safer.

And lots more.

If you don't like the way things are run at your MEC, volunteer. I bet you haven't even called your rep to discuss your problems with the association, have you? If not, then STFU, pay your 2%, and keep watching from the cheep seats.

Turbo

Your company has different medical bennies for different work groups? Where I work everyone has the same benefits. If the company wants to raise premiums, they will union or not because it affects the entire company.
 
Oh, let's see:

1) Helped save medical because of a bad (faulty) EKG/ECG read.

2) Helped keep job when a minor (read total non-event) incident occured (would have been fired anywhere else).

3) Helped keep job vs. issue with vindictive check airman.(check airman fired from training dept. less than month later, after investigation requested by union).

If it was that minor and the mgmt works well with the pilots, why would you have been fired if you had been non union?
 
The safety structure alone is worth your dues.

Ask a non-union pilot: who is going to represent you on an NTSB investigation team if you get killed? Answer: management pilots.
 
If asking for more money and a better schedule for myself and my fellow pilots is a "welfare" mentality...I'd like to know your version of a "Generous" mentality. Doesn't everyone look up to the FedEx contract because of it's great commuter clause in the contract? <----Sarcasm...for the lack wits

If ALPA were all volunteers, that's one thing. But the minute you take my money, yeah, I'm going to be bitter when the MEC suggests the pilot group take a paycut and National doesn't say one word in opposition.

From those who have come before me, I have been told that ALPA has grown very weak.

As for those pilots who are constantly having "non-event" incidents requiring ALPA to bail them out...maybe these pilots should go back to Gulfstream Academy and get their money back.
 
I have met a far more Anti-ALPA guys on the line, than Pro union guys. I asked my last captain why that was. He said "You will never find a Union guy flying. Just trying to figure out another way of doing nothing, and getting paid for it"

ALPA has become a scapegoat for all this S*** that has happened to pilots the last several years. As for the "Union guys" not flying and getting paid for it... well there are a few guys that get out of a lot of flying. However, for the most part, they are very much still working. If it was such a cake gig, why isn't everyone trying to do it? Most comitee members get out of VERY little flying and are helping on their own time.

Turbo
 
Your company has different medical bennies for different work groups? Where I work everyone has the same benefits. If the company wants to raise premiums, they will union or not because it affects the entire company.

Yes, the pilots have ALPA negotiated health benefits that differ from the rest of the employees.

Turbo
 
Don't get me wrong guys. It's not the union concept that I'm bashing, it's what became of ALPO. They have, as an organization, let a lot of pilots down. Take TSA for example...how many visits has Duane made and how are the TSA pilots doing now? Mesa? And CMR? Mesaba?
Let's not get the lone ranger midnight phone calls as an argument here, let's talk about the whole dragon.
Maybe it is time to divorce regional carriers from ALPA and get second union. Then we can have 2 chainsaws instead of one whipsaw (tongue in cheek)!
 

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