Allegiant

[singlespeed]

Congrats to all the new hires. If anyone needs a crash pad PM me I'll give you a contact person for a nice vacation home to rent. Last year three of us in class rented a 3 bedroom 2 1/2 bath for $1200 or so a month all utilities included. In this place all you need is your food.

Hey Chperplt how's SFB?

 

[chperplt]

Congrats to all the new hires. If anyone needs a crash pad PM me I'll give you a contact person for a nice vacation home to rent. Last year three of us in class rented a 3 bedroom 2 1/2 bath for $1200 or so a month all utilities included. In this place all you need is your food.

Hey Chperplt how's SFB?

Hey,

SFB is.....well.....SFB. Other than flying 3 trips since June 2nd, I can't complain too much. The people at the base are great and the operation runs pretty well. Vegas could learn a lot from how things are done out there!

 

[floppy]

ATA guys

Any ATA guys at Allegiant? If so, PM me. I'd like to get more info about the company.

 

[skydiverdriver2]

A friend told me that Ryanair in Europe doesn't treat it's employees well. They use the labor laws in the worst countries they fly to, and the pay and working conditions are poor. Ryan has invested in Allegiant, and they have a seat on the board. Apparently, this was in the ALPA magazine. I know, I know, a biased source. Anyone know any more about this?

Thanks,
SDD

 

[Dix-Bag]

Ryan does have a pretty nasty rap as far as workrules goes I've heard. They get payed pretty well I think. Declan Ryan, one of the sons of the founder as well as a former board member of Ryanair is one of the principle investors in Allegiant.

This doesn't necessarily mean Allegiant intends to be Ryanair, merely that they have a solid business plan worthy of some Ryan funding. I'm sure the ONLY thin on Mr Ryan's mind is a good return on his investment.

This was in the ALPA magazine? Interesting... Considering ALPA has not so much as approached the pilot group at Allegiant. In fact, over a year ago, they plain told the pilot group that they were "too small" to be represented by ALPA "at this time".... That's a good thing though... Keep ALPA outa here..

 

[chperplt]

If I'm not mistaken, Ryan air pilots were given a good amount of stock when the company went public. I believe they all made out very well.

 

[skydiverdriver2]

Well, I found a link on another forum here at flightinfo, with opinions gained from people who currently work at Ryanair. It says that Ryanair claims they make a lot of money, but it isn't true. It also says they fire people for charging their cellphones in the airport, and buying water from the aircraft meant for passengers. They do charge their crews for water at Ryanair.

I don't think ALPA was saying anything about organizing allegiant. They ran the article specifically to warn their members about the law being changed to allow foreign ownership of US airlines. It said if someone like the owners of Ryanair got ahold of a US airline, they might do the same thing they do to their employees. I didn't see the article, a friend told me about it, so I wonder if they mentioned that the owners of Ryanair are investors in allegiant. As far as I know, allegiant wasn't even mentioned in the ALPA article.

 

[skydiverdriver2]

This is the link to the document about Ryanair. I dont know how to post the actual document here, but maybe someone else does.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=214074

 

[Dix-Bag]

Ahh ok... Well the only connections between AAY and Ryanair is a FORMER member of their board is an investor in AAY, both airlines charge passengers for soda, both airlines serve secondary markets, and both airlines profit in the black.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Hey......

Just for your information, 20 year FO, there are a lot of former AA pilots working for Allegiant because they were furloughed from your industry leading company.

.......I resemble that remark!!!

 

[skydiverdriver2]

I was told that he has a seat on the board of allegiant, and they got some of their ideas about marketing and selling items on the aircraft from him. I hear Ryanair uses the labor laws of the easiest countries they fly to, so they can treat their employees poorly. Again, this doesn't say anything about allegiant, except that they have a connection and their business model is similar. They both go to small cities with one aircraft type, and charge low fares. They both make money off things like gambling and car rentals, and they are both anti-union.

 

[chperplt]

I was told that he has a seat on the board of allegiant, and they got some of their ideas about marketing and selling items on the aircraft from him. I hear Ryanair uses the labor laws of the easiest countries they fly to, so they can treat their employees poorly. Again, this doesn't say anything about allegiant, except that they have a connection and their business model is similar. They both go to small cities with one aircraft type, and charge low fares. They both make money off things like gambling and car rentals, and they are both anti-union.

Allegiant has no board.... Once we go public, if we go public, he will have a seat. This is per the SEC documentation.

 

[skydiverdriver2]

Okay, I thought even private companies had boards. My mistake. What about the other things I brought up? I'm not trying to bash anyone, just find out if there is any chance allegiant will start acting more like Ryanair. Did you read the link I posted?

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Afew AA notes and AAY comparisons...

Unit:

I was furloughed from AA since the end of 2002. At that time I was an MD80 F/O making about $105 an hour. If I were not furloughed and still flying as an F/O for AA, I would be making around $88- $92 an hour after 11 years. Max MD80 F/O pay is $104 ( what I was making in 2002, but now after starting my 12 - 13th year).

I am in my 4th year as an AAY Captain pulling down a whopping $85 an hour. I will make about $85K this year bidding as #2 Captain out of FL. Not great, but I am making what I would be making as AA at 11 years on the MD80 what I am making at AAY after 4 years. Different seats yes, but supporting my family and getting a better schedule, while trying to get improvements at Allegiant.

The AA game is pilots trying to hold on and not loose more (spiral to the bottom). The AAY game is trying to get improvements and hope to spiral to the top, or at least turn into a Spirit, Frontier, or Air Tran.

If that happens I will be in the low double digit seniority, if not. Then I'll see you back at AA in another 5 - 10 years......that is if you don't loose the A and B funds. Then there won't be anything worth coming back to.

Good luck to us all and try to keep your AMR Cost Unit down!!!! This is giving me a RASM spasm!!!

Jeff H.

Not to rain on anyone's parade here but...you're excited about making $41 an hour to fly S80 F/O? And then you make Captain in two years for a whopping $72 an hour? They don't pay for hotel during training either? Nice.

That downward spiral of the airline pilot career just got a bit tighter...

Unit
Whoop, whoop, Pull Up!

 

[SliceOfPIE]

What does AAY's growth plan look like for the next few years? How do they plan to become an AirTran, Spirit, or Frontier?

 

[chperplt]

What does AAY's growth plan look like for the next few years? How do they plan to become an AirTran, Spirit, or Frontier?

Our plan is to grow... It's that simple. We've been able to maintain a profit while going from 13 or 14 airplanes to start last year to 23 or 24 now. As fuel continues to rise, we continue to make money.

We plan on becoming an AirTran, Spirit, or Frontier by obtaining better work rules, better wages, and better benefits for the pilot group. Those things are not out of reach, and while we may not become the highest paid pilots in the industry, we will be well compensated under today's industry standard.

 

[chperplt]

Okay, I thought even private companies had boards. My mistake. What about the other things I brought up? I'm not trying to bash anyone, just find out if there is any chance allegiant will start acting more like Ryanair. Did you read the link I posted?

Allegiant, just like all other airlines is in the business of making money. We already charge our passengers for soda, snacks, and just about everything else. That being said, we charge a very low ticket price for a reason. Once we have people on the airplane, they are more apt to purchase. We are also a niche airline and fly to 2 main vacation destinations. People on our flights are on vacation and therefore don't mind spending money on soda and snacks and booze.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Not to rain on anyone's parade here but...you're excited about making $41 an hour to fly S80 F/O? And then you make Captain in two years for a whopping $72 an hour? They don't pay for hotel during training either? Nice.

That downward spiral of the airline pilot career just got a bit tighter...

Unit
Whoop, whoop, Pull Up!

Unit.....

Is there any "sunshine" in your life? Or is it all gloom and doom for you? The sad part is that the folks who are waiting to hear about a class date are probably looking at a payraise should they get a job offer. What would you do if you were in their shoes?


PHXFLYR

 

[SliceOfPIE]

The forementioned airlines fly to larger more popular airports, as well as the smaller ones Allegiant serves. They also cater to the bu$ine$$ customer as well.

 

[chperplt]

The forementioned airlines fly to larger more popular airports, as well as the smaller ones Allegiant serves. They also cater to the bu$ine$$ customer as well.

What are you talking about?

Northwest is the only airline that serves some of the routes we fly. They only do so on 3 routes right now, and only one of us is making money....business passenger or not.