Allegiant 4Q results in 23.4% operating margin and $25 million share buyback

[chperplt]

Do you not find it pathetic that even after 40% raises you still make a fraction of what everyone else makes? That really says something for how horrible your payrates were before.

Dude,

I made over 100K last year as a 4th year employee and I slept in a hotel room four or five times. I don't think I make a fraction of what everyone else makes at the end of the year when all is said and done.

There's no point in discussing this with you further.

I think it's pretty telling that you can't defend your position and instead resort to petty attacks about something that I did a decade ago and have long since said was a mistake. But if that's the best you can do, have at it.

I have defended my position just fine. You're simply hard of hearing and a one trick pony.

Since you can't get past the fact that we're a new company working out and improving our problems, I can't get past the fact that in my mind, you're no better than a scab for stealing the jobs of qualified people.

 

[PCL_128]

If Allegiant management and pilots can get along with one another reasonably, then they can forgo the likes of ALPA just like SWA, AA, UPS, FDX, USAir, etc.

First, FDX is ALPA. Second, I never said that Allegiant pilots necessarily needed ALPA, just a union in general. If they prefer independent, then great, but get something. Right now they only have a company committee that isn't recognized under the NMB. Every other carrier that you mentioned is unionized.

It also looks like they treat their first year FOs much better than most Majors as far as pay goes.

It gets pretty dang bad after first year, though.

 

[PCL_128]

Since you can't get past the fact that we're a new company working out and improving our problems

I understand that you're a new company, but that doesn't have anything to do with the need for a union. Every pilot needs a union, no matter how new their company is.

 

[chperplt]

I understand that you're a new company, but that doesn't have anything to do with the need for a union. Every pilot needs a union, no matter how new their company is.

In your opinion...

 

[Blue Dude]

I'm not sure a failed union drive is a better plan. Sounds like you think you should have done it in 2002......but you could not get the support in 2009! How has that worked out for your pilot group? There is a place and time, for everything. I think the effort was commendable....just not effective. If you are trying to garner the respect of your fellow aviatior by getting on FI and telling everyone you voted yes, maybe, if you are trying to make progress at your carrier then your message was loud and clear!

Actually, my message was a warning. My "sounds like JB in 2002" was a response to "we'll unionize when we need to". Obviously the JB union drive failed, and that *is* the warning. 67% of JB pilots either don't want to unionize or don't care, this in spite of not receiving meaningful pay, benefits and/or QOL improvements in years, "targeted" "raises" notwithstanding. Management is very, very good at seeming to look out for your interests without ever coughing up the $$$ required to make it happen. Don't think that just since you're happy now that you will remain so. Don't think also that you'll be able to do anything about it when the good feeling's gone but everyone around you is still making excuses for management's lack of meaningful action. The deck is very much stacked against you.

 

[Mr Wu]

Every pilot needs a union, no matter how new their company is.

Why?

And please give me something other than the rhetoric that ALPA spews. I can read that on their website.

 

[Mr Wu]

It gets pretty dang bad after first year, though.

You have Pinnacle in your screen name and you were obviously involved with ALPA in the years that you were there. What the f**k did you and ALPA do for their payscale compared to the other regionals?

 

[Ameriagle]

Actually, my message was a warning. My "sounds like JB in 2002" was a response to "we'll unionize when we need to". Obviously the JB union drive failed, and that *is* the warning. 67% of JB pilots either don't want to unionize or don't care, this in spite of not receiving meaningful pay, benefits and/or QOL improvements in years, "targeted" "raises" notwithstanding. Management is very, very good at seeming to look out for your interests without ever coughing up the $$$ required to make it happen. Don't think that just since you're happy now that you will remain so. Don't think also that you'll be able to do anything about it when the good feeling's gone but everyone around you is still making excuses for management's lack of meaningful action. The deck is very much stacked against you.

You make some valid points and you may be right. Time will tell. If at some time in the future there is a union drive at Allegiant, I hope there will only be one, that is the point I was trying to make! Any other result does nothing to support our cause, IMO!

 

[BRA]

Do you not find it pathetic that even after 40% raises you still make a fraction of what everyone else makes? That really says something for how horrible your payrates were before.


Didn't Allegiant start with an old short DC-9 out of fresno, no hope, and on the edge of bankruptcy until it went into bankruptcy? I think it then attempted to remake itself into what it is today right after 9/11. Shortly after that the Iraq war started in 2003.

 

[PCL_128]

Why?

And please give me something other than the rhetoric that ALPA spews. I can read that on their website.

Career protection. Anyone can slide off of a runway in the middle of winter. If it happens to you, wouldn't it be nice to know that a union is there to provide you attorneys, accident investigators, etc...? Take a look at the comments from Captain Sullenburger and FO Skiles about the support they received not only from their own union, but also from the other unions that they work with in CAPA.

What happens if you lose your medical? Wouldn't it be nice to know that your union has an aeromedical department that can get you your medical back in short order?

How 'bout discipline? Everyone gets in trouble at one point or another. You need an advocate for yourself instead of just hoping that the manager is going to be fair.

Unions aren't just about collective bargaining. In fact, that's just a small part of it.