All Eagle pilots getting numbers at AA?

[flyboyike]

No worries!
The average short bus, styrofoam helmet wearing retard can fly anything currently in the airline industry. If you find anything difficult about airline flying, you might be on the short end of the IQ curve. My greatest challenge on a daily basis is to not scratch my azz in the terminal, thus showing my disdain for all who are about.
PBR

Great post, especially the last part!

 

[bendover]

Eagle loses vast sums of money. AMR could not sell the turd. The only alternative they had was to spin it off on its own and let it wither and die a slow death. Maybe at some point they can sell of the carcass. The only way they could do so it to guarantee the pilots and some employees a job at aa. AA will be needing alot of replacements soon. A good move to lock in all the eagle guys to flow through so they don't jump ship on this sinking turd. Its all about money. Eagle has outlived ,or soon will, its model. The eagle guys had better be on thier best game when they migrate over to aa because those guys will have no problem weeding out the weak ones.

 

[spacecadet1]

No worries!
The average short bus, styrofoam helmet wearing retard can fly anything currently in the airline industry. If you find anything difficult about airline flying, you might be on the short end of the IQ curve. My greatest challenge on a daily basis is to not scratch my azz in the terminal, thus showing my disdain for all who are about.
PBR

Hilarious, and mostly true. But I have heard from a bud at AA, that many of the flowthrus are having a hard time making it thru training and IOE. We're talking 2-3 times thru the complete course, 70 hrs IOE ! And these guys were RJ Captains, many with more than 10K hrs. They are scratching their heads in the training dept at AA. Scary.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Hilarious, and mostly true. But I have heard from a bud at AA, that many of the flowthrus are having a hard time making it thru training and IOE. We're talking 2-3 times thru the complete course, 70 hrs IOE ! And these guys were RJ Captains, many with more than 10K hrs. They are scratching their heads in the training dept at AA. Scary.

Only 2% have not made it through. The percentage of training issues got smaller as more junior pilots flowed over.

 

[spacecadet1]

Only 2% have not made it through. The percentage of training issues got smaller as more junior pilots flowed over.

Not true from what I heard. Way more than 2%. I think it's an ugly secret they don't want to talk about.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Sorry. Your second hand info is incorrect.

 

[glasspilot]

Changed my mind...


It was a great post, but I thought better of it.

 

[TexasPilot]

As a senior FO at Beagle I don't understand all the bickering? We have a bid out for 87 captains. This winter over 200 numbered will have the option to flow thru. I see a captain seat in my near future.

I may have a flow thru at AA unless we liquidate. In the mean time I will enjoy incredible movement. In the possible future I may be a senior captain at a regional with one of the best pay scales and contracts. I will apply to AA and try to get an interview.

Thousands of hours at a 121 airline, thousands of cigarets smoked in a 402 flying checks. Do you guys that claim to have paid your dues blame anyone for going straight from cfi to eagle to aa? Ask a civilian trained AA captain how old he was when he got hired, you will be surprised.

 

[spacecadet1]

Sorry. Your second hand info is incorrect.

Heard they even sent one guy to psych eval and eventually bought him off with three yrs pay.

 

[nimslow]

Heard they even sent one guy to psych eval and eventually bought him off with three yrs pay.

Speaking live and in person, from my East Coast crash pad, as a real, live Eagle Flow through, now "reserve bitch at AA".. (who made it through all the AA training, without any additional, of any kind, btw...) Two% is pretty close to the numbers we have been told recently. For what that's worth.

 

[washout]

Where is APA on this? I have seen nothing on their website or anywhere else about it. Also I saw it was negotiated between AA, Eagle, and ALPA... did not include APA.

No boilerplate statement from Bates like "we look forward to welcoming our fellow pilots at Eagle to our company..... Blah blah blah"

How can a pilot group stand to gain almost 3000 members and not say a word about it?

What am I missing here?

 

[Sy-bill]

What am I missing here?

I think nothing. APA sees where this going. AMR divested Eagle into its own company. Eagle must find contract flying like all their competitors. In order to compete Eagle management tells employees they must get costs under control. The cuts are so deep that Eagles morale goes into the toilet. In the meantime Skywest, Pinnacle, etc. gets awarded the contracts to fly AA feeder routes. Eagle cuts back operations and changes name to reflect its independence from AMR. Pilots and other employees succumb to cuts but it is too late. Eagle becomes the next Mesa/Express Jet but with even worse morale.

Hopefully, I am wrong.

 

[washout]

Can't disagree, I also think the future looks bleak for eagle. But my question remains... Why wasn't APA involved in this negotiation and why have they not made any public comments about it yet?

 

[Flyer1015]

Why wasn't APA involved in this negotiation

Because AMR management decides who to hire, not an in-house union.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Speaking live and in person, from my East Coast crash pad, as a real, live Eagle Flow through, now "reserve bitch at AA".. (who made it through all the AA training, without any additional, of any kind, btw...) Two% is pretty close to the numbers we have been told recently. For what that's worth.

Nimslow, you can provide some honest insight to the difference between a senior regional captain, and a junior legacy mainline pilot. In your honest opinion, how is QOL now compared to when you were a senior eagle pilot? How long do you anticipate before you break even money wise, not just in yearly W2, but in terms of total money. Thanks.

 

[nimslow]

Nimslow, you can provide some honest insight to the difference between a senior regional captain, and a junior legacy mainline pilot. In your honest opinion, how is QOL now compared to when you were a senior eagle pilot? How long do you anticipate before you break even money wise, not just in yearly W2, but in terms of total money. Thanks.

Joe,

It's going to be hard for me to give an "apples to apples" comparison on the QOL. I went from living in base, bidding in the top 15%, to commuting 1400 miles for reserve in the bottom 20%.

Reserve at AA isn't the best, but it's still way better than the Eagle system. No airport standby, the possibility for long call (but it's at scheduling's whim). We do not have a defined call out for short call, just reasonably available by surface transportation.

As for pay, I'm a slacker. I never worked any vacation, have not done any OT since I was a starving FO, and used to drop whatever I could. Due to the arbitration award, I started on fourth year pay. I estimate that I will make $20k less my first full year at AA, than I did my last year at AE. The guys that max out the OT, and work all their vacation, are going to take a much bigger hit. All of us were on the top of the pay scale at AE, with only our 1-2% IAI raises to look forward to. Here the pay will continue to go up for years.

On a dollar per hour basis, assuming I stay on the MD80, pay year 8 will be more than what I made at AE.

The actual impact to the check book is slightly less. The health insurance at AA is 50% less than I was paying at AE. We still have the A and B funds, so I can reduce my 401k contributions for a couple of years, without it having a major impact on retirement. On the other side however, crash pad and airport car expenses are now added. And it is not cheap out here.

Bottom line..Minus the commuting, life is better here. I do wonder if we will be in business over the coming years, but that's a concern anywhere these days. I was prepared to make the move, very little debt, didn't live above my means. And I'm still in my mid 40's, so I figure the short term loss is offset by the potential long term gain.

Your mileage may vary, not to be taken internally, do not insert body parts into moving fan blades....

 

[glasspilot]

Bump, to remind what was said...

 

[Snaab]

Joe,

It's going to be hard for me to give an "apples to apples" comparison on the QOL. I went from living in base, bidding in the top 15%, to commuting 1400 miles for reserve in the bottom 20%.

Reserve at AA isn't the best, but it's still way better than the Eagle system. No airport standby, the possibility for long call (but it's at scheduling's whim). We do not have a defined call out for short call, just reasonably available by surface transportation.

As for pay, I'm a slacker. I never worked any vacation, have not done any OT since I was a starving FO, and used to drop whatever I could. Due to the arbitration award, I started on fourth year pay. I estimate that I will make $20k less my first full year at AA, than I did my last year at AE. The guys that max out the OT, and work all their vacation, are going to take a much bigger hit. All of us were on the top of the pay scale at AE, with only our 1-2% IAI raises to look forward to. Here the pay will continue to go up for years.

On a dollar per hour basis, assuming I stay on the MD80, pay year 8 will be more than what I made at AE.

The actual impact to the check book is slightly less. The health insurance at AA is 50% less than I was paying at AE. We still have the A and B funds, so I can reduce my 401k contributions for a couple of years, without it having a major impact on retirement. On the other side however, crash pad and airport car expenses are now added. And it is not cheap out here.

Bottom line..Minus the commuting, life is better here. I do wonder if we will be in business over the coming years, but that's a concern anywhere these days. I was prepared to make the move, very little debt, didn't live above my means. And I'm still in my mid 40's, so I figure the short term loss is offset by the potential long term gain.

Your mileage may vary, not to be taken internally, do not insert body parts into moving fan blades....

Thanks for the insight, I wanted to ask the same question.