Alaska Arbitration

[Freight Dog]

I'm really sorry. The first thing I thought of when I saw the new payscale was, oh no, Aloha wages. It looks exactly like what those guys recently VOLUNTARILY accepted in bankruptcy. I never thought I'd see this happen to Alaska, a profitable carrier. Keep your chins up, something good has to come out of this somewhere. Hopefully it won't be soley for your management's pockets.

Actually, the new Alaska payscale resembles Aloha's ATSB loan payscale. We took 10% more with Chapter 11 forgoing our raises this year and next year, so actually it's more like 14%.

Sad.... but after all the chest thumping of leaving to JB, SWA, UPS, FDX... no one will leave, and soon enough this will become an accepted norm.

 

[mach none]

I would recommend getting the 737 type and going to SWA. A real airline that cares about employee moral. I just wonder how long before they ask for concessions and continue the flushing of the toilet.

My guess is we buy someone before the year is over. Any bets on Frontier or Aloha.

 

[DeLUSION]

Time for a REAL pilot union across the board.

 

[flx757]

I am also in shock. I also did not sleep last night. In fact, I hopped a plane to catch up with my wife. And even though she hasn't seen me in a couple of weeks, being the great friend that she is, she just sat and let me vent.

I am totally re-evaluating my remaining productive years. It is looking more and more like they will not be at Alaska. In fact, the most likely place they will be is outside this industry altogether. I, for one, have simply had enough and am "going fishing".

This will be a 100% certainty if the UPS "good" letter shows up at the house over the next couple of weeks. Guaranteed. Have guitar and will travel, and travel, and travel. As far from Angle Lake and the Flight Ops building as possible.

Good luck to all. I know this place will NOT be the place to be in the next few years. It will only get much worse, and very ugly.

BTW...Freight Dog. Ya want my phone #? Proof of your "chest thumping" theory? The interview was the second week of April. Waiting on the letter. If it is a "yea", then we'll see who is "chest thumping".

flx757....out......

 

[CapnVegetto]

Dam shame. Yet another greedy management team that kills pilot wages while still sticking millions in their pocket. The public REALLY needs to be educated about this. Can't ALPA do something about that?

 

[tico]

Actually, the new Alaska payscale resembles Aloha's ATSB loan payscale. We took 10% more with Chapter 11 forgoing our raises this year and next year, so actually it's more like 14%.

Sad.... but after all the chest thumping of leaving to JB, SWA, UPS, FDX... no one will leave, and soon enough this will become an accepted norm.

Not to be an a-hole, but we have been profitable and on paper when we are not it is just that on paper....So it is different for us....We were not facing liquidation, as you guys or the rest of the crowd. So bear with us just a bit

 

[SirFlyALot]

Since it sounds like 26% is simply an average of the pay cuts, does anyone have access to the official new payscale?

 

[Singlecoil]

New Alaska rates:

CA FO
1 130.42 35.16
2 131.31 61.67
3 132.61 72.99
4 133.91 80.15
5 135.17 85.66
6 136.53 87.89
7 138.18 89.47
8 141.12 91.07
9 144.19 93.07
10 148.34 94.69
11 150.59 95.94
12 153.79 96.83

 

[ironwedge]

Any idea what (if anything) happened to benefits? - A/B -Plan, 401K, medical benefits, etc....? Was there anything new in the contract to close the gap on pay like QOL changes?

- Thanks for any info

 

[tico]

Captain Wage Rates (5/1/05)
step current proposed % change
1 183.81 130.42 -29
2 185.06 131.42 -29
3 185.20 132.61 -28.8
4 187.44 133.91 -28.6
5 188.56 135.17 -28.3
6 189.69 136.53 -28.0
7 190.96 138.18 -27.6
8 191.98 141.12 -26.5
9 193.37 144.19 -25.4
10 194.46 148.34 -23.7
11 195.55 150.59 -23.0
12 196.80 153.79 -21.9

First Officer Wage Rates (5/1/05)
step current proposed % change
1 52.05 35.16 -32.4
2 91.29 61.67 -32.4
3 111.18 72.99 -34.3
4 117.51 80.15 -31.8
5 120.37 85.66 -28.8
6 124.96 87.89 -29.7
7 127.90 89.47 -30.0
8 130.62 91.07 -30.3
9 133.72 93.07 -30.4
10 136.49 94.69 -30.6
11 137.62 95.94 -30.3
12 138.84 96.83 -30.3

This is the matrix that we are using as of today......

 

[ironwedge]

Tico,

I remember seeing Alaska's proposal to ALPA, these numbers look like they are in line with that proposal. Do you know?

Makes one wonder what the arbitrator was thinking. It would also make one wonder why any pilot group would agree to binding arbitration in the future. Seems to be another broken process.

 

[Singlecoil]

These rates are the company's proposal exactly. Maybe he thought it was baseball style arbitration?

 

[Singlecoil]

Any idea what (if anything) happened to benefits? - A/B -Plan, 401K, medical benefits, etc....? Was there anything new in the contract to close the gap on pay like QOL changes?

- Thanks for any info

No changes to the retirement plans or 401k, we have to pay more for medical (not sure how much) and we lost trips touching training or vacation.

 

[AQ PILOT]

**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** guys, sorry to see this happen to you....

 

[Boeingman]

Management throughout the industry is having a field day using the "economic crisis card".

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Do you still have binding arbitration in the new contract?

Seeing the results of this last arbitration I think the pilot group would want it to go away.

Do you have to go to binding arbitration to determine if you can do away with binding arbitration?

 

[Yank McCobb]

Ignoring the fact that you could just be trying to be "cute", which is WAY out of place on this thread by the way, if you had bothered to read the posts, you would have seen it mentioned several times that this does away with binding arbitration at Alaska and opens the door to "self help" the next time around.

Counting the weeks until retirement and a permanent goodbye to this messed up industry. This from someone who works for one of the supposed "good" companies. What's the use of being at a "good" company if the entire world is imploding all around you? It's only a matter of time until the burning bag of shat is on your OWN doorstep.

 

[Freight Dog]

BTW...Freight Dog. Ya want my phone #? Proof of your "chest thumping" theory? The interview was the second week of April. Waiting on the letter. If it is a "yea", then we'll see who is "chest thumping".

flx757....out......

God bless you FLX.. I hope you get the yea letter.

Ever since 9/11, people would just give up pay, more pay, work rules, retirement, and all for what? We'd all hear the same stories... but in the end, everything goes back to being the same with the exception of your paycheck.

The problem is that we all take it, b*tch about it, and then that's it... it becomes the new norm.

Like someone said here.. it will take a REAL union to step up to the plate, and truly fight to put an end to this needless erosion of our pay/work rules. Sorry to say it, but ALPA under Duane Woerthless is just that - WORTHLESS. Speaking of "chest thumping", did you catch his column in the last issue? I about fell out of my chair laughing. 3 years too late, Duane! Now this....

I am truly sorry to see a great airline like Alaska sink to this level.

It will take hard work, dedication, difficult decisions and strikes to recover from this slump... Let's hope that we as pilots have the cojones to go through with it.

 

[DeLUSION]

Where do we start?

What is the first step to bring PILOTS together!

Rules and Laws are made to be changed. A REAL NATIONAL pilot brotherhood! Any other way will lead us right to where we are.

 

[English]

Actually, the new Alaska payscale resembles Aloha's ATSB loan payscale. We took 10% more with Chapter 11 forgoing our raises this year and next year, so actually it's more like 14%.

Sad.... but after all the chest thumping of leaving to JB, SWA, UPS, FDX... no one will leave, and soon enough this will become an accepted norm.

I thumped louder than anyone else. My feet did the talking.