Airways looking to reduce RJ flying

[trolleydriver]

Good news for all of us -
US Airways is looking to reduce RJ flying, and hopefully pick it up with its 190s.
AWAC and Republic are okay as they're "stuck" as their rep puts it with the contracts that the old Airways signed and affirmed before the merger. They're looking at getting rid of Mesa as fast as they can, but still can't get rid of them before 2012.

It's in their latest crew news video on the hub airways site.

 

[WSurf]

I believe this is more of the replacement of RJ 50 Seaters with bigger 70-90 seaters! My prediction is that you will see a bunch of these CRJ's parked in the desert in the next 5 years (or converted to Corporate Jets).
Looks like US Airways is in the slow process of keepin all or most of its flying within its own company. Seems to work for CAL and AA! These airlines only contract out there crappy routes.
I would believe in the future you will see PSA get more 700's (Maybe talks again for 900's), and PDT getting newer generation TurboProps (you know the ones that are quieter then the RJ, burning 30% less fuel, carrying 72 pax)

Now if we can get DP to show us some money, we might be heading in the right direction!

 

[BoilerUP]

Old news but good news, and yes I work for one of those contract carriers.

Bring on the FADEC - but I'm not taking a paycut for it!

 

[VeeOne]

The 50's and Mesa are going to the wayside. However the EMB190 is going to be replacing a large portion of what the 70/90 seat CRJ market is flying currently. USAirways wants to keep their best business travelers off an airplane with no first class or legroom.

 

[WSurf]

USAirways wants to keep their best business travelers off an airplane with no first class or legroom.

Is there any left?

 

[ground stop]

i can't see usair sending a q-400 to sby or jacksonville, nc. those dash-8s will be around for a very long time.

 

[lindsaya99]

The 50's and Mesa are going to the wayside. However the EMB190 is going to be replacing a large portion of what the 70/90 seat CRJ market is flying currently.

If the 50 seat aircraft are going away, and the E 190s will replace the CRJ 700/900, then what will become of PSA?

 

[Thermocouple]

Who knows? The truth is that no matter what rumors float around there is no answer to that question.

 

[ex j-41]

If the 50 seat aircraft are going away, and the E 190s will replace the CRJ 700/900, then what will become of PSA?

Ahhh you haven't even started yet but feeling the power of the internet.
PSA will be around for a while, our management cannot get a job doing anything else. Our headquarters are located in Dayton Ohio. Where can all those people who work in HQ find a job in Dayton getting paid what they do? It would be great if they moved the office to Tempe, But PSA (Rumor) gets a boat load of money from the city for all the training they do. 80% of the flight attendents quit the first year. The 20% that stay are the ones that should have quit!

 

[BlueCanoe]

Don't worry. The airlines will park the 50seat capacity, try to "upsize" all of it into the 70-100 seat aircraft. The next down cycle, they'll find out that flying a 70-100 seat plane with 30-35 people can't make money, then the 50 seaters will be back....

 

[WSurf]

Don't worry. The airlines will park the 50seat capacity, try to "upsize" all of it into the 70-100 seat aircraft. The next down cycle, they'll find out that flying a 70-100 seat plane with 30-35 people can't make money, then the 50 seaters will be back....

I don't think so, the 50 Seat RJ is done. You will see a mix of what is going on in Europe. Mostly all 70/90 seat Jets, with 50/70 seat TurboProps. Fuel prices will never go far down again!
Not sure about the CRJ700 or 900, but the Q400 Break even is at 33 seats.

 

[Shrek]

Sounds like a small upswing in the industry.........good news to hear !!

 

[Sig]

Billy, your optimism fails the first test of USAirways (especially Piedmont):

1. Is this situation totally, inextricably and in all other ways fkuced up?

If it makes sense, it ain't happening. Period. If we keep operating like a tooth fairy in Salisbury (hit or miss at best), we're toast anyway. To-ass-t.

 

[Gofish]

I believe this is more of the replacement of RJ 50 Seaters with bigger 70-90 seaters! My prediction is that you will see a bunch of these CRJ's parked in the desert in the next 5 years (or converted to Corporate Jets).
Looks like US Airways is in the slow process of keepin all or most of its flying within its own company. Seems to work for CAL and AA! These airlines only contract out there crappy routes.
I would believe in the future you will see PSA get more 700's (Maybe talks again for 900's), and PDT getting newer generation TurboProps (you know the ones that are quieter then the RJ, burning 30% less fuel, carrying 72 pax)

Now if we can get DP to show us some money, we might be heading in the right direction!

Surf I'm jealous...I want to fly that Q400.

Boiler...you tell em!

 

[ex j-41]

Surf I'm jealous...I want to fly that Q400.

Nice attitude.....Wonder why they think that people will fly bigger airplanes for less money!

 

[BlueCanoe]

I don't think so, the 50 Seat RJ is done. You will see a mix of what is going on in Europe. Mostly all 70/90 seat Jets, with 50/70 seat TurboProps. Fuel prices will never go far down again!
Not sure about the CRJ700 or 900, but the Q400 Break even is at 33 seats.

That's the problem with people that fly inside the old US culture. They refuse to understand who pays the bills.

The Q400 would be an awesome plane. Never ridden on one, but based on the old school dash, I'm sure it's a great ride. I still like riding on the 50-seat Dash and the ATR. Big cabins, fairly quiet (behind the motors), slow-turning props make a shiatsu-massage effect (thus puts me right to sleep!!).

However, as we all know, pax think props are for boats only. You could have the lowest CASM machine on the planet, and if the pax won't ride it, you won't make the first cent. Anyone wonder why the props went from full to empty in 4 years? (HINT: it wasn't fuel prices!!)

How many seats did the old F-28s and BAC 1-11s hold? How many seats did the Caravelle hold? None of this is new. How many years ago did the airlines retire the 100 seaters? NWAC has the last of the -9s running around in the niche. The AWAC BACs were parked, finally, a year ago +/-. Now there's an "untapped" 70-110 seat market. How did this come about? Duh.....

What's going to happen when the reduce the 50 seat capacity to nothing in the next 8 years? In 8.5 years, they'll "discover" a whole market of city-pairs that could thrive off 50 seat capacity.

Break even is 33 seats on a -400? What do you think it is on a SWA 73? How about an E-JET?

 

[Gofish]

Hey Ex-J41,

You completely mis-interpreted my post. Relax, have a beer, call in sick, do whatever, but don't chuck grenades at your fellow pilots. It does nothing to solve the problem.

 

[WSurf]

Billy, your optimism fails the first test of USAirways (especially Piedmont):

1. Is this situation totally, inextricably and in all other ways fkuced up?

If it makes sense, it ain't happening. Period. If we keep operating like a tooth fairy in Salisbury (hit or miss at best), we're toast anyway. To-ass-t.

You are right! We are talking about US Airways!!! A company that will step over a quarter to pick up a penny!!!

 

[flyin4jsus]

It's just funny how times change, in the early 90's the majors and regionals couldn't get 50 seater jets fast enough. Now they can't get rid of them fast enough.

 

[quinnlake]

However, as we all know, pax think props are for boats only. You could have the lowest CASM machine on the planet, and if the pax won't ride it, you won't make the first cent. Anyone wonder why the props went from full to empty in 4 years? (HINT: it wasn't fuel prices!!)

Ever heard of Horizon? Q 400 are quiet and smooth, and Horizon does just fine with them. It's Piedmont beat up 100's and Colgan's Saab that people don't like.

 

[ex j-41]

Hey Ex-J41,

You completely mis-interpreted my post. Relax, have a beer, call in sick, do whatever, but don't chuck grenades at your fellow pilots. It does nothing to solve the problem.

I might have a H On to fly a Q-400 too. But lets keep that our little secret and if managment wants us to fly a prop/jet/ski doo/truck... then "SHOW ME THE MONEY".

ALPA--------------Pls set an Industry wide payrate. CRJ 200 should be the same pay at PSA/ASA/ACA/SKYWEST/COMAIR/....you get the point.
Management must understand they were hired to make the company money, by being creative, looking for new markets, not reaching into pilots pockets.

 

[Gofish]

Dude,

I don't have a H On to fly the mighty Q400...I just think it would be fun. But I sure as HE double hockey sticks won't fly it for concessionary rates.

Pull together win together.

ALPA proud. Back the PAC.

 

[WSurf]

However, as we all know, pax think props are for boats only. You could have the lowest CASM machine on the planet, and if the pax won't ride it, you won't make the first cent. Anyone wonder why the props went from full to empty in 4 years? (HINT: it wasn't fuel prices!!)

Ever heard of Horizon? Q 400 are quiet and smooth, and Horizon does just fine with them. It's Piedmont beat up 100's and Colgan's Saab that people don't like.

It really doesn't matter what aircraft it is! Listen to people, all my flying friends go right to the websites for the LOWEST TICKET!! They could care less about the plane! Of course people are bummed out when they see a TurboPro, however a cabin class plane, a drink and there happy!
But if it was the cheapest ticket they can get and on time, there happy! They want the cheapest ticket, on-time.... with there bags! Period!

 

[BlueCanoe]

However, as we all know, pax think props are for boats only. You could have the lowest CASM machine on the planet, and if the pax won't ride it, you won't make the first cent. Anyone wonder why the props went from full to empty in 4 years? (HINT: it wasn't fuel prices!!)

Ever heard of Horizon? Q 400 are quiet and smooth, and Horizon does just fine with them. It's Piedmont beat up 100's and Colgan's Saab that people don't like.

Who's Horizon's competition in most markets? I doubt it's SWA running a 73 or B6 running a 320. Guaranteed, you could flush out a PDT Dash with a pimp interior and XM/Direct TV with ANR, good looking F/As with 38DDs decked out in bikini tops that give hummers enroute, and free booze, and it'd still have the same load factor today. If PDT is the only gig, then it'll be full. If there is anything that has turbojets or turbofans, then it'll have 5 people.

 

[WSurf]

If PDT is the only gig, then it'll be full. If there is anything that has turbojets or turbofans, then it'll have 5 people.

Wrong again! It is the ticket price! Now if the ticket prices were the same then almost all would take the Turbofan! Otherwise it's all about who offers the cheapest ticket, and the most frequency.

And it is SouthWest that Horizon has been competing with! And from what I hear, they are doing a great job against the 73's out west!

Some interesting numbers on this airplane! I hope US Airways orders about a 100 of them!

www.q400.com

 

[SennaP1]

I agree its a sweet airplane, I rode on one of Scandinavian's Q400. Fast, Quiet ( ANR, wasn't MEL'd, like it would be here in the States) and of course the FA's (Danish girls, yummy) I too hope US gets some Q400 and Danish FA's

The only telling thing about that Q400 webpage is that its spearheading the revolution of the LCR "Low Cost Regional" -that spells doom as I see it anywhere outside the Majors.

 

[Rottweiller]

i can't see usair sending a q-400 to sby or jacksonville, nc. those dash-8s will be around for a very long time.

Maybe but they will send a CRJ, I have several Jacksonville, NC turns next month out of CLT!!

 

[ground stop]

are those turns in a -700 or -200?

 

[nethan]

Both I think. This month we were sending 4 or 5 200s and 1 or 2 700s. OAJ isn't a great example though as they are mostly full all the time and I think the route is subsidised a bit.

 

[WSurf]

Both I think. This month we were sending 4 or 5 200s and 1 or 2 700s. OAJ isn't a great example though as they are mostly full all the time and I think the route is subsidised a bit.

Yea, we filled the Dash 8 300's up all the time too! I think Delta is gonna start going there soon!