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[Phaedrus]

xrayo: It's alright dude. This too shall pass. But don't take that from me. I don't have a choice in what I think.

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[Airtran717]

again, like i said, your the only one complaining and your the only one who doesnt like it here, and I have flown with a lot of crews. I know that Uppercrust doesnt work here. So what happened? You seem to focus a lot on the 717 training side of Airtran. Have a little trouble in recurrent?

As far as people leaving, I have only moved up 3 numbers on the seniority list in 3 months. So I know that is not true.

 

[Lear70]

OK, I'm confused...

Your first quote:

Don't go to airtran if you have a choice. (ie. Any job, no matter how bad you think it is, the grass is NOT greener on the other side).

Any job? Working for a regional airline with NO work rules, barely livable pay, and terrible management is somehow better?

Smoke crack lately?

2nd quote:

The fact is, is that the only people who fit in at airtran and will stay are the one's that can, NEVER, go anywhere else. Everyone else will be disgusted and will flee with all dilegence.

And your next quote:

We lose a ridiculous number of FO's (and even captains) every month. Someday one of these stats will be myself.

Non-sequitur, sir. You can't have it both ways; you say that the ONLY people who fit in at airTran and stay are the ones who can't go anywhere else then say that you will leave someday?

Later in the thread you post that you are WAY senior to Catfish, implying you've been with the company for a couple years or more, so you've stayed while Southwest, jetBlue, CAL, etc are hiring but yet you haven't but want to?

Case in point, I directly know 3 people who have left in the last year, 2 for FedEx, one for SWA. People leave all the time for what they think is better.

Bottom line. If you have a job or if you are furloughed and don't have a nearly starving family, don't come here. Its not worth it. The vicious environment, unprofessionalism, and harassment are not acceptable in any job. (Not even aviation)

Funny, I haven't experienced ANY of that...

I'm not saying that it doesn't exist or that this is the perfect aviation job, I'm just saying that I'm on the 717 and haven't seen even a hint of that. On the contrary, scheduling and management have been nothing but helpful and professional, as have the Captains I've flown with.

Is there another airline named airTran? 'Cause I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Or maybe it takes longer than 4 or 5 months to manifest.

 

[xrayojilp]

OK, I'm confused...

Let me help you out

Your first quote:


Quote:
Don't go to airtran if you have a choice. (ie. Any job, no matter how bad you think it is, the grass is NOT greener on the other side).
Any job? Working for a regional airline with NO work rules, barely livable pay, and terrible management is somehow better?

Smoke crack lately?

Were you not making more at your regional job than 35k? My point is that the only thing better at Airtran is the work rules, the mangement sucks as I'm sure you must know, even if not willing to admit.

2nd quote:


Quote:
The fact is, is that the only people who fit in at airtran and will stay are the one's that can, NEVER, go anywhere else. Everyone else will be disgusted and will flee with all dilegence.
I don't fit in here, and I'm trying to flee. Someday, I'm sure you know how hard it is to get an airline job, as does everyone else in the industry.

And your next quote:

Quote:
We lose a ridiculous number of FO's (and even captains) every month. Someday one of these stats will be myself.
Non-sequitur, sir. You can't have it both ways; you say that the ONLY people who fit in at airTran and stay are the ones who can't go anywhere else then say that you will leave someday?

Later in the thread you post that you are WAY senior to Catfish, implying you've been with the company for a couple years or more, so you've stayed while Southwest, jetBlue, CAL, etc are hiring but yet you haven't but want to?

I'm sure you would really rather work at Airtran than S, J, C, etc. Right. Airtran was your first choice. You don't have any other apps out.


Case in point, I directly know 3 people who have left in the last year, 2 for FedEx, one for SWA. People leave all the time for what they think is better.


Quote:
Bottom line. If you have a job or if you are furloughed and don't have a nearly starving family, don't come here. Its not worth it. The vicious environment, unprofessionalism, and harassment are not acceptable in any job. (Not even aviation)
Funny, I haven't experienced ANY of that...

I'm not saying that it doesn't exist or that this is the perfect aviation job, I'm just saying that I'm on the 717 and haven't seen even a hint of that. On the contrary, Is there another airline named airTran? 'Cause I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Or maybe it takes longer than 4 or 5 months to manifest.

scheduling and management have been nothing but helpful and professional, as have the Captains I've flown with.

Dude, really, no offense, but I can tell that you are really wet behind the ears at this company! I mean you have never had any problems with scheduling!!! (not to mention management, this is even more silly) ANd you've been here 4-5 months!!!! What is that 2 weeks out of training? Get ready to bend over dude!!

Besides, its too late for you, you already work here, you are screwed!!! I'm trying to help people who aren't already here make a prudent decision.

Do you really want to start over with another regional!!!!!!!!!!!! OK so the work rules are a bit better, SO, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO START ALL OVER AGAIN WITH ANOTHER REGIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET AN F'ING JOB WITH SWA, FEX, UPS, OR CO OR STAY PUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lear70]

Were you not making more at your regional job than 35k? My point is that the only thing better at Airtran is the work rules, the mangement sucks as I'm sure you must know, even if not willing to admit.

Actually, I'm making more like $40k 1st year and yes, it's about a 30% pay cut. So is everyone else's 1st year pay, including SWA, JB, FedEx, not to MENTION CAL at $25k 1st year!

I don't fit in here, and I'm trying to flee. Someday, I'm sure you know how hard it is to get an airline job, as does everyone else in the industry.

No argument there, was trying to get out of PCL from almost the very beginning, but the difference was I was at PCL out of duress, I'm here out of choice.

I'm sure you would really rather work at Airtran than S, J, C, etc. Right. Airtran was your first choice. You don't have any other apps out.

Ummm, actually. Yeah, this is my first choice. No, I don't have apps in at any of those.

Honestly, I was in training and my buddy offered me a Blue Dart. I thought about it for a week or so but turned him down. I like it here. Southwest turned me down, I don't have the urge to EVER give them another shot. Their loss, not mine.

Dude, really, no offense, but I can tell that you are really wet behind the ears at this company!

Oh, no argument there, I'm a FNG.

I mean you have never had any problems with scheduling!!!

Oh yeah, my first conversation with the scheduling manager was 2 contract violations. Like I said, I know it's not perfect, but daily life on reserve has been a HELL of a lot better than life on reserve at PCL. Most of the time I even get to pick my trips out of open time the night before or just sit at the crashpad if I need to. I've even traded weekends for weekdays on reserve. I NEVER could have done that at my last gig.

(not to mention management, this is even more silly) ANd you've been here 4-5 months!!!! What is that 2 weeks out of training? Get ready to bend over dude!!

LOL - you mean BOHICA?

Seriously, maybe I'm just new, but the 7 or 8 guys I know from previous jobs that are here haven't had your troubles either. Most of us know that things could be better, but we're just happy to be here because it's SO much better than where we came from.

My point I was trying to make is not everyone shares your opinion of this place and I just wanted to chime in with some positive experience so someone doesn't turn down a job here over Chatauqua or Regions Air or something.

Peace! :beer:

 

[xrayojilp]

Word!

 

[Citrusflyer]

xray.....



It must be fun to hide in anonymity and take pot shots that have no merit. I'd be willing to bet you can't do it out in the open..

But I guess you have reason to be disgruntled. Considering your history and all.....

 

[Airtran717]

xrayojilp,

Now that I think about it, you sound a lot like.... and your spewing the same crap as a guy I heard about in recurrent who is currently on a "LEAVE OF ABSENCE" from Airtran. hmmm....

You should take that time off to find somewhere else to work.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

xrayojilp,

You sound a lot like.... and your spewing the same crap as a guy I heard about in recurrent who is currently on a "LEAVE OF ABSENCE" from Airtran. hmmm....

You should take that time off to find somewhere else to work.

You talking about captain numbnuts that tried to ball it up in RDU?

Anyway, xray who are all of the guys you referred to earlier who are so unhappy with things here. Sounds like you are the only one. Anyone else out there want to second xray's thoughts on Airtran(those who work here or who did in recent memory)? Anyone......

 

[Airtran717]

no this was an FO......

 

[SkiFishFly]

Been at AirTran for over 7 months. Loving it.

None of the stuff that "xray-no-vision" complains about. All the Capts I have flown with have been very professional and good folks to work with.
Also have not moved up the list - there have not been all these people leave as xray alleges. There have been plenty of folks added to the list below me. )
Life here is good and will continue to get better.

 

[xrayojilp]

Ok you got me, I am the one guy at in the history of valujet and airtran that does not like it!! Everyone else loves it! I'm the one guy with a "history". I'm Snake or whatever, Wink wink. Come out in the open, kind of like you 717? You are right though, I will not come out in the open,I will only take potshots because, well, lets see, I AM AFRAID TO and for GOOD REASON!!

Its really messed up when you can't slam your own company, kind of like not being able to slam your own country when you don't like where things are going. (comrade) Its funny, everyone I fly with says to me that the company is "oh, allright", then after a few directed questions it totally comes out that they have NOTHING positive to say at all other than "decent money". Kind of messed up when you are afraid to say anything at all without being threatened. Something everyone here is familiar with. Find somewhere else to work indeed. WE WILL GET YOU, THE POLICIES OF MANAGEMENT HAVE PROVEN THIS OVER THE YEARS.

Anyone interested in coming to Airtran would do well to look at this thread and see how these airtran pilots deal with someone that has a few things to say about the company. Basically, shut up, or else (we will get rid of you one way or the other). Professionalism is not an obstacle. Heck I bet a few people (that I am not) are even fired over this post! I have heard of people being threatened over posts on this message board (or others). Let the witch hunt begin gentlemen. If things are so great then why get so angry and defensive?

 

[CatfishVT9]

It' not that any of us think the company is perfect, but that's different from saying it sucks, or that applicants should go anywhere else but here.

Lets face it. you're a "5 percenter". You know, the 5% at any organization that just can't be pleased. You're a miserable person so you are miserable where you are. Maybe us military guys are happy because weve been so many different places and have learned to adapt and find out how to have a good time wherever we go. You would never survive in a ready room. So save us all the complaining and go away so I can move up the list.

By the way, I turned down Jet Blue to come here. No regrets.

If you want to tell me how hosed up I am, I'll be in recurrent tomorrow and at the union luncheon.

Just call me Catfish. I'll stand up.

 

[xrayojilp]

Basically, I've had enough, you guys win, its really a great company. Heil hitler Heil hitler

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Ok you got me, I am the one guy at in the history of valujet and airtran that does not like it!! Everyone else loves it! I'm the one guy with a "history". I'm Snake or whatever, Wink wink.

Its really messed up when you can't slam your own company, kind of like not being able to slam your own country when you don't like where things are going. (comrade) Its funny, everyone I fly with says to me that the company is "oh, allright", then after a few directed questions it totally comes out that they have NOTHING positive to say at all other than "decent money". Kind of messed up when you are afraid to say anything at all without being threatened. Something everyone here is familiar with. Find somewhere else to work indeed. WE WILL GET YOU.

Anyone interested in coming to Airtran would do well to look at this thread and see how these airtran pilots deal with someone that has a few things to say about the company. Basically, shut up, or else (we will get rid of you one way or the other). Professionalism is not an obstacle. Heck I bet a few people (that I am not) are even fired over this post! I have heard of people being threatened over posts on this message board (or others). Let the witch hunt begin gentlemen. I dare any of you to find another thread where a pilot group actually attacks someone based on comments about the company. If things are so great then why get so angry and defensive?

I can't speak for the others, but I am neither angry nor defensive. You are entitled to your views. I just thought we might all benefit from hearing from some of the "lots of others" that you referred to earlier who share your views on the company.

Or could it be that you truly are the only one who feels that way and the rest of us are if not completely happy, then at least not completely unhappy like you seem to be.

Anyway, anylone else out there(who works here, that excludes you crusty) want to weigh in on what a terrible compnay we have here? The way I'm reading things now, looks like about a 10-1 ratio of happy to be here versus disgruntled because he failed a checkride or two.

 

[xrayojilp]

Nope, haven't failed a checkride (or 2 or 3, etc). That might put me in the minority at airtran but sorry try again. Might be that I have a good reason to be pissed? ? ? NAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

If does appear that I am outnumbered, I will admit. . . But lets not forget the fine fellow that started this thread huh huh huh.

 

[PanPan]

Its really, really, really, really unprofessional there. Its a crappy place to work. New planes don't change anything. Look at the history of the place. Look at the people who went there (with many exceptions of course). It was a haven for every loser in the world for years.

Please tell me how this is an indictment of the company and not a shot at the "supposed" Airtran pilots. Of which, I am one. It was this statement that prompted my response. Of the catpains I flew with, only a very small percentage could be characterized by your statements. I would wager that the percentage is no higher than at any other airline. Of the FO's, the percentage is even smaller.

Who are the losers you speek of? Am I so lucky that I only see a small portion of them, or do your blinders limit your view to just them.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ha-ha. Thanks for my evening laugh.

P.S. They were asked to leave? Makes you wonder why 10-20 guys a month were asked to leave? Sounds like an "Airtran" problem to me.

10-20 newhires leaving a month? Who told you that B.S., Miss Cleo? We have an average of 4 people leaving each month, out of 1450 pilots, and those that leave are usually newhires who interviewed multiple places before they were hired here and later were offered a slot a few months later at Fedex, SWA, UPS or CAL. If I was a newhire, I would have to think pretty hard about taking that job, too, especially if it involved not commuting any more, but most of us are pretty damn happy, especially once we get our new contract. In the meantime, every time someone leaves, it sends a message to management, so I wish it was more than the lousy 3% a year we're losing right now..

Sounds like you didn't make it through training, or were let go for cause. It doesn't happen very often. Sucks to be you, but I'm glad you're not flying my family around.



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[CatfishVT9]

I find it interesting that the xray has no posts for a year and all of a sudden comes out to slam his own company. Hmmmmm???????

Leave already, there's a line out there waiting to take your place.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Nope, haven't failed a checkride (or 2 or 3, etc). That might put me in the minority at airtran but sorry try again. Might be that I have a good reason to be pissed? ? ? NAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

If does appear that I am outnumbered, I will admit. . . But lets not forget the fine fellow that started this thread huh huh huh.

Well that may be, but it does seem that the VAST MAJORITY of AirTran pilots if not every single one of us on this board anyway, disagree with your characterization of the company. Is it Utopia? No, far from it. But it is hardly what you have made it out to be either.