airTran Training

[xrayojilp]

Yeah, I am one of those "loosers".

Me want work nother airline. Me now can work at Suthwerts, FUex or UPs. Me want get othre job. Every else can get job at COex or continentle next day, me kine of stupid it take me longer than 1 month to get out of ********************hole. No gud at traing. Hard to get job

Jeez I'm just trying to help. There is a lot of BS on this board, especially about Airtran. Either you love it or you hate it. The point is, that Airtran is not for everyone. If you are not the "scab type" (crazy, hateful, unprofessional, stupid, childish, yahoo retard) then don't go there. Its an f'ed up environment. Don't ruin your career. If you like that kind of thing then have at it, dude.

Also, why the fanatical endorsements for Airtran that you don't even see for southwest? Everyone I fly with is pretty much miserable about their job. I guess they don't get on the internet. I think its the s**t sandwich theory.

 

[Uppercrust]

XRAYOLIP Can't we all get a long island! God, that is pretty rough and I assume you aren't just flaming away dude.

Interesting, I have some friends who fly there (They laugh at the ******************** I put on here, and yes they know who Ty Boy is:laugh: ). Their opinions aren't as harsh as yours but they are looking else where. One buddy in particular did say the old school value jet guys were a bit disgruntled/sensitive. Why.. I have no idea, for one I don't work there, I can't relate to their past, and frankly don't know their personality. It just shows, money doesn't bring you happiness, considering these guys are making some pretty good cash. Same guys would be miserable anywhere.

It will be interesting as legacys recall to see how many go back and leave the tranny. I leave it at that. I do disagree that Airtran is as bad as a regional. Then again, I never worked at one!:laugh:

 

[xrayojilp]

A Long Island? It looks like you might like a Cuba Libre instead!!

 

[PanPan]

OMG, I MISS TYPED A WORD! I guess I must be one of those losers. I sure am glad I got hired here. No, wait a minute. Maybe I'm not a loser? Maybe I spend more time with friend, injoying life than hunched over my computer typing.

 

[CatfishVT9]

Lots of venom there xray. What did we fire you for anyway? Being full of crap?

 

[xrayojilp]

Maybe I spend more time with friend, injoying life than hunched over my computer typing.

Uh, Noooooooooo.

P.S. Mr bottomfeeder, I am WAAAY senior to you! Also, no offense to military guys in general, I used to want to be one myself. But they always LOVE their company. My message is for civilian guys (who have a choice what to think).

 

[Uppercrust]

A Long Island? It looks like you might like a Cuba Libre instead!!

Darth Libre!:laugh:

 

[xrayojilp]

Run away! run away!

 

[PanPan]

P.S. Mr bottomfeeder, I am WAAAY senior to you! Also, no offense to military guys in general, I used to want to be one myself. But they always LOVE their company. My message is for civilian guys (who have a choice what to think).

I have a few questions.

Whats with the name calling? Did you run out of logical arguments?

What does seniority have to do with your argument?

Why didn't the military want you? Did you tell them something they didn't ask? (OK that last one wasn't really directed at you. It was just to easy. I would have said it to my mother, and she would have laughed.)

 

[xrayojilp]

It was legal in AMS!!!

 

[Phaedrus]

xrayo: It's alright dude. This too shall pass. But don't take that from me. I don't have a choice in what I think.

Col. Automaton

 

[Airtran717]

again, like i said, your the only one complaining and your the only one who doesnt like it here, and I have flown with a lot of crews. I know that Uppercrust doesnt work here. So what happened? You seem to focus a lot on the 717 training side of Airtran. Have a little trouble in recurrent?

As far as people leaving, I have only moved up 3 numbers on the seniority list in 3 months. So I know that is not true.

 

[Lear70]

OK, I'm confused...

Your first quote:

Don't go to airtran if you have a choice. (ie. Any job, no matter how bad you think it is, the grass is NOT greener on the other side).

Any job? Working for a regional airline with NO work rules, barely livable pay, and terrible management is somehow better?

Smoke crack lately?

2nd quote:

The fact is, is that the only people who fit in at airtran and will stay are the one's that can, NEVER, go anywhere else. Everyone else will be disgusted and will flee with all dilegence.

And your next quote:

We lose a ridiculous number of FO's (and even captains) every month. Someday one of these stats will be myself.

Non-sequitur, sir. You can't have it both ways; you say that the ONLY people who fit in at airTran and stay are the ones who can't go anywhere else then say that you will leave someday?

Later in the thread you post that you are WAY senior to Catfish, implying you've been with the company for a couple years or more, so you've stayed while Southwest, jetBlue, CAL, etc are hiring but yet you haven't but want to?

Case in point, I directly know 3 people who have left in the last year, 2 for FedEx, one for SWA. People leave all the time for what they think is better.

Bottom line. If you have a job or if you are furloughed and don't have a nearly starving family, don't come here. Its not worth it. The vicious environment, unprofessionalism, and harassment are not acceptable in any job. (Not even aviation)

Funny, I haven't experienced ANY of that...

I'm not saying that it doesn't exist or that this is the perfect aviation job, I'm just saying that I'm on the 717 and haven't seen even a hint of that. On the contrary, scheduling and management have been nothing but helpful and professional, as have the Captains I've flown with.

Is there another airline named airTran? 'Cause I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Or maybe it takes longer than 4 or 5 months to manifest.

 

[xrayojilp]

OK, I'm confused...

Let me help you out

Your first quote:


Quote:
Don't go to airtran if you have a choice. (ie. Any job, no matter how bad you think it is, the grass is NOT greener on the other side).
Any job? Working for a regional airline with NO work rules, barely livable pay, and terrible management is somehow better?

Smoke crack lately?

Were you not making more at your regional job than 35k? My point is that the only thing better at Airtran is the work rules, the mangement sucks as I'm sure you must know, even if not willing to admit.

2nd quote:


Quote:
The fact is, is that the only people who fit in at airtran and will stay are the one's that can, NEVER, go anywhere else. Everyone else will be disgusted and will flee with all dilegence.
I don't fit in here, and I'm trying to flee. Someday, I'm sure you know how hard it is to get an airline job, as does everyone else in the industry.

And your next quote:

Quote:
We lose a ridiculous number of FO's (and even captains) every month. Someday one of these stats will be myself.
Non-sequitur, sir. You can't have it both ways; you say that the ONLY people who fit in at airTran and stay are the ones who can't go anywhere else then say that you will leave someday?

Later in the thread you post that you are WAY senior to Catfish, implying you've been with the company for a couple years or more, so you've stayed while Southwest, jetBlue, CAL, etc are hiring but yet you haven't but want to?

I'm sure you would really rather work at Airtran than S, J, C, etc. Right. Airtran was your first choice. You don't have any other apps out.


Case in point, I directly know 3 people who have left in the last year, 2 for FedEx, one for SWA. People leave all the time for what they think is better.


Quote:
Bottom line. If you have a job or if you are furloughed and don't have a nearly starving family, don't come here. Its not worth it. The vicious environment, unprofessionalism, and harassment are not acceptable in any job. (Not even aviation)
Funny, I haven't experienced ANY of that...

I'm not saying that it doesn't exist or that this is the perfect aviation job, I'm just saying that I'm on the 717 and haven't seen even a hint of that. On the contrary, Is there another airline named airTran? 'Cause I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Or maybe it takes longer than 4 or 5 months to manifest.

scheduling and management have been nothing but helpful and professional, as have the Captains I've flown with.

Dude, really, no offense, but I can tell that you are really wet behind the ears at this company! I mean you have never had any problems with scheduling!!! (not to mention management, this is even more silly) ANd you've been here 4-5 months!!!! What is that 2 weeks out of training? Get ready to bend over dude!!

Besides, its too late for you, you already work here, you are screwed!!! I'm trying to help people who aren't already here make a prudent decision.

Do you really want to start over with another regional!!!!!!!!!!!! OK so the work rules are a bit better, SO, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO START ALL OVER AGAIN WITH ANOTHER REGIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET AN F'ING JOB WITH SWA, FEX, UPS, OR CO OR STAY PUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Lear70]

Were you not making more at your regional job than 35k? My point is that the only thing better at Airtran is the work rules, the mangement sucks as I'm sure you must know, even if not willing to admit.

Actually, I'm making more like $40k 1st year and yes, it's about a 30% pay cut. So is everyone else's 1st year pay, including SWA, JB, FedEx, not to MENTION CAL at $25k 1st year!

I don't fit in here, and I'm trying to flee. Someday, I'm sure you know how hard it is to get an airline job, as does everyone else in the industry.

No argument there, was trying to get out of PCL from almost the very beginning, but the difference was I was at PCL out of duress, I'm here out of choice.

I'm sure you would really rather work at Airtran than S, J, C, etc. Right. Airtran was your first choice. You don't have any other apps out.

Ummm, actually. Yeah, this is my first choice. No, I don't have apps in at any of those.

Honestly, I was in training and my buddy offered me a Blue Dart. I thought about it for a week or so but turned him down. I like it here. Southwest turned me down, I don't have the urge to EVER give them another shot. Their loss, not mine.

Dude, really, no offense, but I can tell that you are really wet behind the ears at this company!

Oh, no argument there, I'm a FNG.

I mean you have never had any problems with scheduling!!!

Oh yeah, my first conversation with the scheduling manager was 2 contract violations. Like I said, I know it's not perfect, but daily life on reserve has been a HELL of a lot better than life on reserve at PCL. Most of the time I even get to pick my trips out of open time the night before or just sit at the crashpad if I need to. I've even traded weekends for weekdays on reserve. I NEVER could have done that at my last gig.

(not to mention management, this is even more silly) ANd you've been here 4-5 months!!!! What is that 2 weeks out of training? Get ready to bend over dude!!

LOL - you mean BOHICA?

Seriously, maybe I'm just new, but the 7 or 8 guys I know from previous jobs that are here haven't had your troubles either. Most of us know that things could be better, but we're just happy to be here because it's SO much better than where we came from.

My point I was trying to make is not everyone shares your opinion of this place and I just wanted to chime in with some positive experience so someone doesn't turn down a job here over Chatauqua or Regions Air or something.

Peace! :beer: