airTran Training

[CatfishVT9]

Is that the history of survival in tough times? I guess so.

And all those losers you spoke of. Is that the ex-military guys? Ort is it the Delta retirees who are happy to be here? Or did you mean the ex-TWA, United, ATA or Independence guys. Sometimes I don't even like myself.:crying:

 

[xrayojilp]

As I said, look at the history of the place. I really don't have any problems with the furloughed guys. But the eastern guys who don't give a crap anymore to be professional or even safe. And the people that came after them, the really f'ed up guys who never ever would have been hired anywhere else. Heck some of them are even a pleasure to fly with, they really bucked the odds, but I'm not talking about exceptions, I'm talking about the majority, the reality.

Don't go to airtran if you have a choice. (ie. Any job, no matter how bad you think it is, the grass is NOT greener on the other side). P.S. Don't believe the crap you see on this site about the company. There is something in psychology and human nature where the bigger the S**t sandwich you are given the more good you say it tastes. Maybe someone can help me out here with the psychological principle's name. The fact is, is that the only people who fit in at airtran and will stay are the one's that can, NEVER, go anywhere else. Everyone else will be disgusted and will flee with all dilegence. You never see the insane turnover stats on this board. We lose a ridiculous number of FO's (and even captains) every month. Someday one of these stats will be myself.

Bottom line. If you have a job or if you are furloughed and don't have a nearly starving family, don't come here. Its not worth it. The vicious environment, unprofessionalism, and harassment are not acceptable in any job. (Not even aviation)

 

["Next Wave"]

Can you give some examples of the type of problems running the crews off? I was under the impression that it was a great place to work.
I was seriously considering Airtran. You can PM me if you want.

 

[CatfishVT9]

Don't believe that xray idiot. Only guys I know leaving were asked to (1s and 2s). Maybe he's one of them.

Life is good. Upgrade in less than 2-1/2 years. 16 days off with 93 hours next month.

 

[xrayojilp]

Notice that catfish (by the way, isn't a catfish a "bottomfeeder") is on the 737. The worst of the harassment and ritualised abuse is on the 717. The 737 is known as the "cool" airplane to be on. It is almost another company over there, blissfully free of "Eastern" influences, it is run by former Airtran guys, (ie the florida company before Valujet). But Mr. Catfish knows what the company is really like. He probably started on the 71 as most people do. Otherwise he is an FO and he doesn't know what the F. he is talking about (It sounds like he is still savoring his S**t sandwich BTW). Besides any company is only as good as its people. Mr. bottomfeeder talks about upgrade times and hours flown. WTF does he think that has to do with anything? We are talking about a company that is supposed to be a career company. Sounds like just about any other regional. Like airtran, the best, or worst regional.

P.S. They were asked to leave? Makes you wonder why 10-20 guys a month were asked to leave? Sounds like an "Airtran" problem to me.

And I have another rhetorical question. Why are there so many "scab" posts on this board. Didn't that happen in 1989? Isn't that kind of a long time ago? Having the scab list (As I do, you have to have it working at Airspam) I know that there are scabs all over the industry at almost every company. Why does airtran get the bad rap? Partly its the percentages, but even that doesn't really apply anymore, most of these guys have long retired. Its the environment of absolute unprofessionalism and insane absuse that persists at Airtran, even to this day. Imagine Delta arrogance and ego combined with the idiocy of a typical regional. This is all carried on by the second wave of Airtran employees. The losers I spoke of previously. Those, who were so abused and grew up in such a disfunctional airline environenment and who were not big enough to create a more Southwest oriented company. They went with the TWE profile. Which was all they knew, or were capable of knowing.

 

[Kharma Police]

Is that you, Chuck?

 

[Frequency]

I would love to work for Airtran. Everyone I know over there loves it.

 

[Airtran717]

Life is good at Airtran, my bet is that this guy had some trouble in training or he doesnt even work for Airtran at all. Because he doesnt have a clue as to what is going on here... If it was really that bad here WHICH IT IS NOT.. there would be a hundred more guys posting (who actually work here) going "man this place sucks" but there isnt, its just you. Every poster on here who works for Airtran, myself included, love it.

 

[xrayojilp]

You probably belong there. It depends on what sort of person you are.

There are quite a few people on this board saying "Airtran Sucks" they are just talking too much about scabs and not enough about the company.

 

[PanPan]

Notice that catfish (by the way, isn't a catfish a "bottomfeeder") is on the 737. The worst of the harassment and ritualised abuse is on the 717. The 737 is known as the "cool" airplane to be on. It is almost another company over there, blissfully free of "Eastern" influences, it is run by former airtran guys, ie the florida company before valujet. But Mr. Catfish knows what the company is really like. He probably started on the 71 as most people do. Otherwise he is an FO and he doesn't know what the F. he is talking about. Besides any company is only as good as its people. Mr. bottomfeeder talks about upgrade times and hours flown. WTF does he think that has to do with anything? We are talking about a company that is supposed to be a career company. Sounds like just about any other regional. Like airtran, the best, or worst regional.

P.S. They were asked to leave? Makes you wonder why 10-20 guys a month were asked to leave? Sounds like an "airtran" problem to me.

If it is so bad, why are you here? Are you one of those loosers who can't get a job anywhere else? Where you unable to establish the kind of friends at your last job that might stand up for you at FedEx, SWA, etc? Maybe you have interviewed there, and were shot down. I guess its a good thing our standards are so low, according to you.

 

[xrayojilp]

Yeah, I am one of those "loosers".

Me want work nother airline. Me now can work at Suthwerts, FUex or UPs. Me want get othre job. Every else can get job at COex or continentle next day, me kine of stupid it take me longer than 1 month to get out of ********************hole. No gud at traing. Hard to get job

Jeez I'm just trying to help. There is a lot of BS on this board, especially about Airtran. Either you love it or you hate it. The point is, that Airtran is not for everyone. If you are not the "scab type" (crazy, hateful, unprofessional, stupid, childish, yahoo retard) then don't go there. Its an f'ed up environment. Don't ruin your career. If you like that kind of thing then have at it, dude.

Also, why the fanatical endorsements for Airtran that you don't even see for southwest? Everyone I fly with is pretty much miserable about their job. I guess they don't get on the internet. I think its the s**t sandwich theory.

 

[Uppercrust]

XRAYOLIP Can't we all get a long island! God, that is pretty rough and I assume you aren't just flaming away dude.

Interesting, I have some friends who fly there (They laugh at the ******************** I put on here, and yes they know who Ty Boy is:laugh: ). Their opinions aren't as harsh as yours but they are looking else where. One buddy in particular did say the old school value jet guys were a bit disgruntled/sensitive. Why.. I have no idea, for one I don't work there, I can't relate to their past, and frankly don't know their personality. It just shows, money doesn't bring you happiness, considering these guys are making some pretty good cash. Same guys would be miserable anywhere.

It will be interesting as legacys recall to see how many go back and leave the tranny. I leave it at that. I do disagree that Airtran is as bad as a regional. Then again, I never worked at one!:laugh:

 

[xrayojilp]

A Long Island? It looks like you might like a Cuba Libre instead!!

 

[PanPan]

OMG, I MISS TYPED A WORD! I guess I must be one of those losers. I sure am glad I got hired here. No, wait a minute. Maybe I'm not a loser? Maybe I spend more time with friend, injoying life than hunched over my computer typing.

 

[CatfishVT9]

Lots of venom there xray. What did we fire you for anyway? Being full of crap?

 

[xrayojilp]

Maybe I spend more time with friend, injoying life than hunched over my computer typing.

Uh, Noooooooooo.

P.S. Mr bottomfeeder, I am WAAAY senior to you! Also, no offense to military guys in general, I used to want to be one myself. But they always LOVE their company. My message is for civilian guys (who have a choice what to think).

 

[Uppercrust]

A Long Island? It looks like you might like a Cuba Libre instead!!

Darth Libre!:laugh:

 

[xrayojilp]

Run away! run away!

 

[PanPan]

P.S. Mr bottomfeeder, I am WAAAY senior to you! Also, no offense to military guys in general, I used to want to be one myself. But they always LOVE their company. My message is for civilian guys (who have a choice what to think).

I have a few questions.

Whats with the name calling? Did you run out of logical arguments?

What does seniority have to do with your argument?

Why didn't the military want you? Did you tell them something they didn't ask? (OK that last one wasn't really directed at you. It was just to easy. I would have said it to my mother, and she would have laughed.)

 

[xrayojilp]

It was legal in AMS!!!