AirTran thoughts on Kelly's Disposal of SL10

[Full of LUV]

Riding the Pine

Thanks. I went and looked it up after I received Scoreboard's "answer".

regards,
Fr8-

That might be flying the pine, or flying the desk...more modern expressions.

Riding the pine is a reference my Grandpa used to use in reference to sports as in if you weren't in the game, you were on the bench ie riding the pine.

I guess nowadays it should be riding the aluminum!

 

[Full of LUV]

Which again shows your inexperience-
This is old time airline pilot knowledge- make your decisions as well as you can on quality of the business and it's leaders- NOT on contracts or domiciles- bc those will change(!)

So you went to SWA when they had NO pension retirement, no retiree medical, and substandard pay even for a 737 because you knew all the majors were going to go the BK route over the next 20 years and you would default into the best narrow body pilot position?

I guess did you also at that time buy WALMART stock and sell Montgomery Wards stock?

I agree that nothing is absolute but to tell an Airtran guy that he should have forseen an ATL displacement is a little disingenuous.

What company will be rocking it in 2020, I want to plan accordingly.
Aloha,
LUV

 

[redflyer65]

Thanks. I went and looked it up after I received Scoreboard's "answer".

regards,
Fr8-

Google is a wonderful thing. Yahoo if your old school.

 

[redflyer65]

What company will be rocking it in 2020, I want to plan accordingly.
Aloha,
LUV

JB Hunt. And they have an Atlanta base there!

 

[Full of LUV]

JB Hunt. And they have an Atlanta base there!

I wonder if I can use VA benefits to get an 18 wheeler type on my ATP?

 

[GIZMONC]

If you did not sign up for VA benefits prior to 2003 no VA benefits are available for any veteran unless you have an injury that was service connected. Ever since I was discharged back in 1978 I was under the impression I could sign up for VA benefits but I was always employed and had medical insurance. The time came when I did need VA benefits ( medical) recentlly and I applied for VA Benefits. VA sent me a form letter that stated if I had not signed up prior to 2003 no VA Benefits would be available to me.

 

[humveedriver]

If you did not sign up for VA benefits prior to 2003 no VA benefits are available for any veteran unless you have an injury that was service connected. Ever since I was discharged back in 1978 I was under the impression I could sign up for VA benefits but I was always employed and had medical insurance. The time came when I did need VA benefits ( medical) recentlly and I applied for VA Benefits. VA sent me a form letter that stated if I had not signed up prior to 2003 no VA Benefits would be available to me.

Jesus your old. I learned how to ride a bike in 1978!

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

Boys boys can you you not play nice and respect one another!
Wait till the big announcement and then comment - the foolish rants are very juvenile and do you as professional pilots and actually persons a very disservice
grow up and make better of your lives

 

[Ty Webb]

- the foolish rants are very juvenile and do you as professional pilots and actually persons a very disservice
grow up and make better of your lives

Thanks for the fortune cookie . . . . . . . You smell new.

 

[Britpilot]

"FAT pilots"

"RSW pilots"


WHY would you want to use such divisive terms , as opposed to trying to remain politically null, or ( Heaven forbid ) maybe use terms that might foster a little unity?

Whine

Actually I'm a RAT.

All that has been fostered over here is a "don't give a crap anymore" attitude.
That is the fault of management not SWAPA or ALPA.

 

[waveflyer]

Full of luv-

I have no crystal balls- what I'm saying is that if you're an airline pilot and choosing an airline based on domiciles- that's not a long term great idea- esp when that company is a distant #2 in the legacy fortress hub that you desire and your airline is small enough to be a takeover target.

You have issues with these realities I've pointed out?

 

[Crash Pad]

Takeover target. Tell me more about that. Everyone has merged, how big should I shoot for to avoid a takeover. I understand China Air has pretty deep pockets.

 

[Full of LUV]

Full of luv-

I have no crystal balls- what I'm saying is that if you're an airline pilot and choosing an airline based on domiciles- that's not a long term great idea- esp when that company is a distant #2 in the legacy fortress hub that you desire and your airline is small enough to be a takeover target.

You have issues with these realities I've pointed out?

Hey, that's life, stuff happens! But to say that an AT pilot should have forseen a probable domicile change is a little out in left field.
If I were an AT pilot, I would have assumed (obviously wrongly) that I would hold ATL for my career assuming that if someone did merge/buy us they would maintain a large ATL presence. Like if AS and AT had merged for instance. Instead SWA happened and it changed the landscape for quite a few. Renumeration wise, probably for the better, commute wise, not so much.
Aloha,
LUV

 

[texman]

ATL will be a base I would say fall of 2015. I thought 60% of the AT pilots commute.

 

[funnyman12]

Problem is ATL has 1600 pilots. The company has mentioned ATL having 550 pilots. I imagine a large amout of SW pilots would also want ATL.

 

[texman]

Problem is ATL has 1600 pilots. The company has mentioned ATL having 550 pilots. I imagine a large amout of SW pilots would also want ATL.

I would say yes and no. Just being on this side of the partition not many people would care for ATL. Maybe some BNA people.

 

[Crash Pad]

I would wager 225 would be really interested.

 

[waveflyer]

It's not my point that anyone should have foreseen anything. But history, statistics, and an environment of consolidation should have told you something.
I've learned that an airline pilot, as in business, must be prepared for almost anything. Think I'm out there buying new cars and boats?
We all do our best navigating this industry- but the naive view that any pilot can expect something as fickle as a domicile to remain for an entire career is irresponsible.
And it doesn't take a merger.
You know how many friends of mine chose American for their stability, financial strength, and the SFO base??

It's not a blame game I'm playing here. It's a "youre a pilot, grow up" thing. You might have to move a few times in unexpectedly if you take on a career in the transportation industry. You'd have to if you were a banker as well. At least here you have the option of commuting.

 

[humveedriver]

I agree with you Wave. Its unusual not to have a fence in mergers but that's what we voted yes to (with lots of encouragement). So it becomes a talking point. The actual number of AirTran pilots who live in ATL, ancestors fought in the civil war, went to UGA for 4 or more years and have kids in school is going to be very small. Under 400 peeps. Housing market might be the toughest part of having to move, but hopefully those in that position make it up on the new house they buy. I guess we will find out.

 

[madjack]

Housing market might be the toughest part of having to move,

This is the big issue...I hope the company makes ATL a base...heard rumors of TPA (as a base) which would take some of the pressure off MCO and ATL...