AirTran thoughts on Kelly's Disposal of SL10

[scoreboardII]

Fedex, UPS would be a better choice

My 'aquaintence" who went to FEDEX a few years ago is riding the pine, or so I've been told.

 

[scoreboardII]

By the way, in answer to your question, I was told a 3 year upgrade when I hired on here, and doing the math it should have been closer to 4 1/2 - 5 years. Then we started deferring deliveries when the economy turned south.

With our previous cost-structure and routes in place, we would have been turning a nice profit last year and this year without SWA and would likely have been taking our deliveries again, putting my upgrade about 18-24 months out. Our CA's make about what your F/O's do, so I'm basically in the boat of even money until I upgrade, but doing it from the right seat instead of the left.

In the last 10 years of my career (when I'm projected to upgrade at SWA), IF our wages never moved (which isn't a fair assumption, but for comparing the "snapshot" at the moment, it'll have to do), I will make approximately $750-850k more with the merger than without.

So, in essence, I traded 15 more years as an F/O for approximately $1 Million dollars more of career earnings, including 401(k) match, profit sharing, etc. I'm sure I'll appreciate that extra money more when I retire, but for now, it sucks to think about being in the right seat 15 more years, but that's life.

Suck it up, move on, and enjoy the other, more important things in life like family, vacations, etc, while being thankful for a job in a very uncertain industry and economy. Life could be a lot worse. :beer:

I hear you Lear, but I was told to my face by Gary Kelly USAir would be bankrupt and we would upgrade in 3 years, that time passed 6 years ago. The problem is over here, all the bluster of "it's going to be wonderful" and "you won't recognize this place in 5 years" has proven to be just that, bluster and a recognition that this place is nothing like as good as it was 9 years ago. So point of fact, I do not recognize this place, they got that one right

 

[PCL_128]

(but seriously, you became an airline pilot and didn't know bases are a very fluid thing?)

I went to work for AirTran, you dolt. Every pilot was based in Atlanta when I was hired, and 85% of us based in Atlanta when the merger was finalized. Getting kicked out of Atlanta was never even a remote possibility until your management came along.

 

[Marko Ramius]

My 'aquaintence" who went to FEDEX a few years ago is riding the pine, or so I've been told.

Perhaps they went to UPS who does have pilots on furlough. Fedex doesn't have anybody on the street though and has been slowly hiring of late.

 

[Cometman]

How's the workout and interview prep going PCL??
Don't give up man, we'll get you in the front door at your dream job-

(but seriously, you became an airline pilot and didn't know bases are a very fluid thing?)

Why would you tell him to apply at Delta? You and everybody else knows that there is no chance in hell that he could be hired by Delta. Have you seen his picture? Do you know where he came from? It is cruel to tell him knowing that he could never get there. He is with you because of the merger otherwise he would not be with you either.

 

[Crash Pad]

So far PCL wished he was at: Pinnacle (not kidding, after the merger that is), Delta (when he thought he could go with the planes), and now United.

I'll now open this up to flightinfo. Insert your punchlines:

 

[bluebound]

Hey PCL 128,

I have an idea, why don't you quit. I would love to see you find a job elsewhere in this economy. Rather, I would just love to see you find a job elsewhere. You sound like a scorned 12 year old girl. Suck it up, shut up, and move along.

 

[redflyer65]

So far PCL wished he was at: Pinnacle (not kidding, after the merger that is), Delta (when he thought he could go with the planes), and now United.

I'll now open this up to flightinfo. Insert your punchlines:

JB Hunt?

 

[dicko]

I went to work for AirTran, you dolt.

That made me burst out laughing. I'm putting the word "dolt" back in my flesh quiver.

 

[waveflyer]

I went to work for AirTran, you dolt. Every pilot was based in Atlanta when I was hired, and 85% of us based in Atlanta when the merger was finalized. Getting kicked out of Atlanta was never even a remote possibility until your management came along.

Which again shows your inexperience-
This is old time airline pilot knowledge- make your decisions as well as you can on quality of the business and it's leaders- NOT on contracts or domiciles- bc those will change(!)

Wonder how many went to work at delta or ASA bc of the DFW base?
How about United for the Miami base? I've got a friend who turned down a major to stay at air Wisconsin for the Denver base- commuted to Philly for 2 years before he moved on.

Anybody else want to chime in for the youngster?

You're a pilot. Things change. Which is exactly why Lear's quantitative analysis is so futile. Legal financial "Harm" cannot be proved until after the fact. Which leads to last axiom of this post: we'll all see where we stacked up when we retire. No sooner.

 

[waveflyer]

And I can assume you won't listen to cometman, correct PCL?
I'd combine situps and TMAT questions. Multi-task

 

[PCL_128]

waveflyer, welcome to the ignore list.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Anybody that came to AirTran could count the number of airframes that we had on order and the number of people ahead of them on the seniority list to figure out their upgrade time. Then subtract airframes that management was selling off as fast as possible. That would give you your upgrade timeframe. The bottom half of the FO list had no realistic chance of an upgrade. If you believed the training/hiring department then you are a "dolt"!

 

[scoreboardII]

Perhaps they went to UPS who does have pilots on furlough. Fedex doesn't have anybody on the street though and has been slowly hiring of late.

You are correct, sorry.

 

[waveflyer]

That would make it You and bill lumberg PCL- good company