Airtran recalls all furloughed today

[Lear70]

So new hires have no contractual recall rights?

You have all the regular contractual rights, just like any other union carrier but, just like any other carrier, they can terminate you at any time on probation and you have no rights to the grievance process.

All union carriers are the same, they just chose to use that loophole to get relief for their instructors in the schoolhouse, rather than work WITH the union.

That's why I'm saying, the gloves need to come off. If they're going to give us the stick, we need to pull out our own clubs. Cooperating and hoping for the best isn't a strategy...

 

[zman]

For one people on these boards also dont understand is that under LOA 9 guys that were furloughed still gain seniority for another 180 days or otherwise 6 months. Which means that all furloughed pilots will come back to 2nd year pay, something no other Major offers its furloughed pilots. Also Airtran pilots are still able to non-rev on the Airtran system something all other Majors didnt offer. I am not saying that LOA 9 is great but it could have been worse. Coming back to 2nd year pay is going to be a definite plus. While I am not defending Airtran, but show me a 121 Major airline that carries passengers that is "great". Also dont say SouthWest cause their management is busy giving their flying away via codeshares. While it may not affect guys who are higher on the seniority list it definitely is pissing off guys on the bottom of the list.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Nope. It means "gainfully employed and a profitable airline." Quite unlike Lear70.

I don't know about your problem with Lear and Ty but, dude, you're a bit offside. I'm glad to see you are making a boat-load of money. I hope it lasts for you.

 

[Colonel Savage]

I don't know about your problem with Lear and Ty but, dude, you're a bit offside. I'm glad to see you are making a boat-load of money. I hope it lasts for you.

Brownonthebone is an engineer on the eight, so he'll go on the first round of layoffs.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, Boner.

 

[Ty Webb]

How's that big pay raise you said that you would be getting in your new contract working out for you?

You must have me confused with someone else that's impressed by your paycheck.

Some people are so unhappy that they take pleasure in other's misfortune . . . which explains why you're trolling in an AirTran furloughee thread.

Maybe you should log off and go spend your big, happy paycheck , Sunshine.

TY

 

[tranceport]

ha ha, when I read the title of this thread I thought it meant Airtran furloughed all those recalled

 

[Colonel Savage]

ha ha, when I read the title of this thread I thought it meant Airtran furloughed all those recalled

Well, if you can't follow the conversation, don't try to participate.

 

[Smacktard]

Wow....classic 'knee-jerk' furlough, huh?

Well, you have to take investor confidence into account here. If Airtran hadn't of announced furloughs, investors would have axed questions and Airtran's paper value could have taken a bigger hit. So, play it safe, inconvenience (ie totally screw) a few hundred all for the fragile ego of the stock holder...

 

[jester757]

I just had an airtran guy jump on us - he said the recalls are some attmept from the company to cover the summer flying and somehow save money when they are re-furloughed in the fall. How would this save them money? Seasonal furloughs have been done before at numerous airlines but how would this save them money? Are they going back to different equipment and does this affect the money given to pilots when they are furloughed??

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

man you cant make this sh!t up...

 

[Guppy Guy]

I just had an airtran guy jump on us - he said the recalls are some attmept from the company to cover the summer flying and somehow save money when they are re-furloughed in the fall.

If this is true, and I haven't heard that it is. This would make it all the more important for the union to enforce the language in our contract for vacancy awards, thus causing the company to suffer the maximum financial penalty possible in training costs. If we hit them in their pocket it will take away any financial incentive to behave this way. Let them off the hook (like the NPA did on the vacancy award last month) and they'll continue to think they can treat our pilots like temp. workers and abuse our contract.

Maybe one more reason to bring in ALPA. I don't think they would have been so quick to cut a deal with management on this and get nothing in return. Yet another missed opportunity for the NPA.

 

[Lear70]

It's a rumor that's made the rounds on the internal boards, I don't think there's an actual source for it, just the big question: "What happens in the Fall when we do the normal drop-off in frequency and block hours drop?"

That's why I was saying the guys that found other jobs and have training contracts *MIGHT* want to exercise their rights under the contract to stay out, keep that job, because it looks like they *MIGHT* need those jobs again come Fall.

Hopefully not, but everything in life is a gamble...

 

[Lear70]

man you cant make this sh!t up...

Yeah, tell me about it.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

So 75% accepted recall out of the first round, then something less than 60% accepted from the second round, so at least a third took a pass. Is that about right? Does a pilot get more than one bypass?

Post 9-11 recall rates were lower than that due to contract degregation and pilots finding jobs they wanted to keep. In some cases 20-25% acceptance rates for legacies occurred, the lowest by far in history, which averaged 80-90% acceptance prior to 9/11.

Doubtful it was that low.....And you found this info where?? (enquiring minds and all)

Read my signature below......

 

[Colonel Savage]

Doubtful it was that low.....And you found this info where?? (enquiring minds and all)

Read my signature below......

Found it? Dude, I lived it. I am the source! Ha!

 

[T3700]

For one people on these boards also dont understand is that under LOA 9 guys that were furloughed still gain seniority for another 180 days or otherwise 6 months.

Actually the contract already provides for this in Sec 17

"After a pilot’s release from service due to a reduction in force or furlough, the pilot will
continue to retain his respective seniority position, but, will not accrue longevity for
pay purposes after a period of 180 days from the reduction in force or furlough date."

 

[maxblast72]

Just my 2 cents, but now the company knows exactly how much it costs to do the furlough/downgrade/transition thing now. If Jet A prices stay low and we do a normal post labor day cut (about 15% ASM) instead of the 2008 25% post labor day cut, we should be able to get through the slow fall/winter season by just bringing the LVI back down to the mid 70's. In addition, with the staffing problems that have occurred in the right seat since Labor day, I would think the company is going to be using more generous FO staffing levels going forward which should keep everyone on property after Labor Day 2009.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Found it? Dude, I lived it. I am the source! Ha!

Sorry about the tough love your company handed out....

Maybe on your property that was the recall rate, but painting all the majors with that broad brush isn't too accurate.

 

[Colonel Savage]

In addition, with the staffing problems that have occurred in the right seat since Labor day, I would think the company is going to be using more generous FO staffing levels going forward which should keep everyone on property after Labor Day 2009.

The 11 new daily departures out of MKE should help as well.

Speaking of which, does this put MKE in the running with BWI for AAI's next hub, or is BWI still way ahead?

 

[Colonel Savage]

Maybe on your property that was the recall rate, but painting all the majors with that broad brush isn't too accurate.

It was common knowledge, as well as info put out by avaition media, that recall rates were abysmial. It was easy to remember because on average it was the old rate of 80/20 flipped to 20/80 industry wide.

I'm more curious what your basis is for refuting it. What did you read/hear/experience?