AirTran pilots will own the SW upgrades

[PCL_128]

Hence why arbitration was the answer.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Hence why arbitration was the answer.

You mean like AWA and USAir?

 

[PCL_128]

You mean like AWA and USAir?

No, our process agreement prevented what happened in that case.

 

[Roomwithaview]

No, our process agreement prevented what happened in that case.

Theirs (different terminology) did as well. Point being, even after arbitration, if one side is unhappy with results, they will do anything and everything to ignore the arbitrated award.

There are no guarantees. Even though many on here like to crow about having some sort of crystal ball.

The only stick any of us had was dragging this thing out and making it painful for the company. With more to lose in doing that by the bait n switch of the 717 not being brought on the property your side IMHO would have been creamed.

But remember, you're done talking about the SLI-Right?

:laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

But remember, you're done talking about the SLI-Right?

:laugh:

Yep. Thank you for reminding me.

 

[bluesideup1]

Hence why arbitration was the answer.

How is arbitration the answer? You peddled relative with DOH being the worst case scenario. This caused wild expectations in you pilot group, which in turn caused them to think that it was ok to let their MEC turn down a contract that would have keep the Captain spot, protected ATL all the while getting instant pay raises.

Now you get on here again trying to peddle your delusional thought that you would have done better in arbitration. That flies in the face of the two groups that went to arbitration and didn't even get close to DOH let alone relative and for the most part lost more seniority than the Airtran Pilots did.

You didn't manage the expectation of your pilot group and now you are trying to deflect the blame by saying you would have done better in arbitration.

 

[waveflyer]

Yep blueside
But what do you expect him to do or say now

He cannot admit any other narrative or else be open to liability
So let him sell his story-

What does it matter now?

I'm more interested in why he is managing expectations on the low end now

 

[Roomwithaview]

Yep blueside
But what do you expect him to do or say now

He cannot admit any other narrative or else be open to liability
So let him sell his story-

What does it matter now?

I'm more interested in why he is managing expectations on the low end now

Suffering from TDS (TomDeanSyndrome)

 

[PCL_128]

I'm more interested in why he is managing expectations on the low end now

Just experience in section 6 bargaining and dealing with the NMB. Welcome to the real world, wavey.

 

[vixin]

And yet, they left you looking foolish and out maneuvered.

SWAPULL wasn't? Our union did a very poor job for the bottom half. I wouldn't be blowing that horn to loud.

 

[waveflyer]

SWAPULL wasn't? Our union did a very poor job for the bottom half. I wouldn't be blowing that horn to loud.

Thank you

 

[waverunner]

SWAPA did what was best for swapa. To hell with the pilot groups. Now we have bunch of ticked off people and swapa saw no harm done. My view of swapa as of recent is akin to a used car salesman.

 

[Roomwithaview]

SWAPA did what was best for swapa. To hell with the pilot groups. Now we have bunch of ticked off people and swapa saw no harm done. My view of swapa as of recent is akin to a used car salesman.

That would be kind. My view of swapa is akin to that of a kapo

A kapo or prisoner functionary (German: Funktionsh?ftling) was a prisoner in a Nazi concentration camp who was assigned by the SS guards to supervise forced labor or carry out administrative tasks in the camp. Also called "prisoner self-administration", the prisoner functionary system minimized costs by allowing camps to function with fewer SS personnel. The system was also designed to turn victim against victim, as the prisoner functionaries were pitted against their fellow prisoners in order to maintain the favor of their SS guards. If they were derelict, they would be returned to the status of ordinary prisoners and be subject to other kapos. Many prisoner functionaries were recruited from the ranks of violent criminal gangs rather than from the more numerous political, religious and racial prisoners; those were known for their brutality toward other prisoners. This brutality was tolerated by the SS and was an integral part of the camp system.

Prisoner functionaries were spared physical abuse and hard labor, provided they performed their duties to the satisfaction of the SS guards. They also had access to certain privileges, such as civilian clothes and a private room.[1] While the Germans commonly called them kapos, the official government term for prisoner functionaries was Funktionsh?ftling.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Wow, you have lived a privileged stress free life without a hint of stress or true hard work if you can relate anything from this job and SWAPA to the SS and labor camps. You can really tell the guys that have never had a ******************** job in their life. Let me guess: private schools, Embry Riddle, a job in your parents friends jet, then on to SWA where you are being screwed by everybody and possibly human rights and Geneva convention violations. Please tell us more.

 

[PCL_128]

I love it. Go over the cesspool that is APC and you've got DPA supporters claiming that independent unions like SWAPA are a panacea, and then you look here and you've got SWA pilots comparing SWAPA to servants of the SS.

Here's the reality: every union is just its members doing the work of the pilots to the best of their ability. I'm no defender of SWAPA, but it certainly isn't the evil that you make it out to be. No union is.