AirTran pilots. Was Mad Dog a scab?

[livin'thesim]

How would hearing his harp playing over the PA let you know about his history?

You're not paying attention. Reread

 

[dollacrackho]

If you're an ffdo and some pud ca starts playing his mouth harp at 6am what do you do?
I haven't been through the course but this at least warrants a pistol whipping right??

 

[tankerhead]

some pud ca starts playing his mouth harp at 6am what do you do?

Join in with the skin flute.

 

[DieselDragRacer]

Join in with the skin flute.

So the crew is SFO based?

 

[Tripower455]

For a bunch of guys that come from an airline where they celebrate unprofessional nonsense like FAs rapping the safety announcement over the PA, you're awfully judgmental about some harmonica playing.

The harmonica playing, while certainly annoying and in poor taste, is not the crux of the issue we have with ole Maddog...

 

[Sparse]

Let's please use the correct tense of the verb. He "is" a scab.

Nothing changes one's scab status. Not retirement. Not regret. And certainly not harmonica playing.

I don't have a dog in this fight but I knew several Eastern pilots in my reserve unit. There were two types that crossed then picket line. Those that were hired by Eastern, worked for Eastern, went on strike, walked a picket line, and then were told by national ALPA that the strike was over and to go back to work. The Eastern MEC disagreed with Nat. ALPA and called for Eastern pilots to continue withholding their services. Some stayed out and others went back.
The second group were purely opportunist and crossed picket lines, having never worked for Eastern. Now that's a Scab. Call the others what you want but the first group is debatable.

Just google Eastern scab list and you will find a master scab list for all airlines.

This may be a resource for you.

 

[PCL_128]

The harmonica playing, while certainly annoying and in poor taste, is not the crux of the issue we have with ole Maddog...

I understand that, and I've got no disagreement with you on that issue. But the people making an issue of the harmonica playing should really look at the log in their own airline's eye instead of looking at the speck in AirTran's. Rapping flight attendants, "cabin games," and other such nonsense is equally as bad, if not worse, than a harmonica playing pilot.

 

[redflyer65]

PCL,

Just to be clear, I make no judgements about him being an AirTran guy. Just what he did before working there. I think most other SW guys feel the same and are just disappointed that the company would highlight him over others, both SW and/or AAI.

 

[waveflyer]

I don't have a dog in this fight but I knew several Eastern pilots in my reserve unit. There were two types that crossed then picket line. Those that were hired by Eastern, worked for Eastern, went on strike, walked a picket line, and then were told by national ALPA that the strike was over and to go back to work. The Eastern MEC disagreed with Nat. ALPA and called for Eastern pilots to continue withholding their services. Some stayed out and others went back.
The second group were purely opportunist and crossed picket lines, having never worked for Eastern. Now that's a Scab. Call the others what you want but the first group is debatable.

Just google Eastern scab list and you will find a master scab list for all airlines.

This may be a resource for you.

So which was "mad dog"?

And....

I still have a lot of questions about that first scenario

 

[PCL_128]

I still have a lot of questions about that first scenario

You should. They all exaggerate it to make themselves sound better. The reality is that neither ALPA National nor the EAL MEC told the pilots to return to work. Jack Bavis, the EAL MEC Chairman, stated that in his opinion, the pilots should go back to work. But he was referring to ending the strike, not to pilots crossing a lawful picket line. It was just his opinion that the strike was a failure, and continuing it would yield no better results. Those pilots who crossed the line just used Bavis's statement as an excuse to justify their crossing.

 

[Tripower455]

You should. They all exaggerate it to make themselves sound better. The reality is that neither ALPA National nor the EAL MEC told the pilots to return to work. Jack Bavis, the EAL MEC Chairman, stated that in his opinion, the pilots should go back to work. But he was referring to ending the strike, not to pilots crossing a lawful picket line. It was just his opinion that the strike was a failure, and continuing it would yield no better results. Those pilots who crossed the line just used Bavis's statement as an excuse to justify their crossing.

This is correct! Don't buy the BS sob stories these aholes tell to make them seem like less a scab.

 

[RLAblows]

If the EAL MEC chairman said he thinks the pilots should go back to work, should they not take the advise? Who officially gives the green light to go back? His opinion seems to be the one that counts.

 

[PCL_128]

If the EAL MEC chairman said he thinks the pilots should go back to work, should they not take the advise? Who officially gives the green light to go back? His opinion seems to be the one that counts.

To be clear, Bavis never told the pilots to go back to work. It was just his opinion that that's what they should vote to do. But unions are democracies (or representative democracies, depending on the issue being decided), not dictatorships, so one man can't make a decision. The MEC would have to vote on whether to return to work. They didn't approve an end to the strike, so it continued. Period.

Bavis didn't cross the picket line, by the way, despite his opinion that the strike was futile at that point. The people who did cross just use Bavis's opinion as cover for their decision, when they knew damned well that the strike was still on and no vote had been taken to return to work.

 

[RLAblows]

Thanks PCL. I agree about the harmonica PA. Who cares. It's just as bad as a "marry me and you'll fly for free," song being sung by a tone deaf FA on a PA that's not made for karaoke. It's been my observation that any attempt to make the miserable experience of flying in coach a little better is generally well perceived by the passengers. No matter which airline it is. Unfortunately the glory days of aviation are long gone and this is what we are left with.

 

[waveflyer]

Thanks for the info and perspective PCL

You just don't do it, and certainly don't cross on something as thin as that

 

[FIREMAN]

Is it mad dog a party to the lawsuit also?

 

[scoreboardII]

Is it true he is getting a retirement training center job?

 

[PCL_128]

I don't even think he ever worked in the training center while he was here.

 

[scoreboardII]

Didn't have to, just heard he is getting a retirement job at SWA training center, anyone?

 

[IAHERJ]

I remember my time at AirTran. People worshiped that redneck. What a joke.