Airtran MEC voted no

[Empennage]

Not sure what side u r on, but don't throw in the towel yet. Arbitration is the end process. You never know.

I didn't say throw in the towel. I said it's out of your hands now. It's out of my hands. Your MEC solved that for you.

 

[Flycatcher99]

OMFG

The mutual respect was absent in this agreement.

Oh My Feking God that you don't see that.

Watch your mouth.

You don't like threats, eh? No one here is threatening you. Only trying to point out some possibilities. Of course, much of that is moot now, since neither you nor any if your fellow trannies have any say in the matter. Which is unfortunate for those of you who wanted the deal, who realized it was better than an acquired airline should ever hope for. Better than the staple that most of your guys would have taken a year ago. Refresh yourself on your own history.

Speaking of history, Lear indicated that regret is usually a waste of time. Not true, if one uses regret to learn from one's past. Too bad your mec didn't learn anything from the regret felt by frontier and muse pilots.

 

[Flycatcher99]

By the way, if this ends up going poorly for AAI, I'm not sure alpa will be able to survive the blowback, especially after their multiple failures of late. Wonder if pcl will still be bragging that "we are alpa".

 

[puddlejumper101]

Maybe. There is hope for that. But we need mutual respect from your 6000 strong first.

Peace.

respect is earned not given. ALPA has not really respected anything thus far. I think the respect will come, once ALPA is gone.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Too bad your nc didn't learn anything from the regret felt by frontier and muse pilots.

Reviewing history:

Delta acquired NWA

You never bought Frontier.
In reference to above, when announcing AirTran transaction GK said publicly that pilots will not dictate the outcome of this merger.

Muse had 16 aircraft was around for 6 years and NEVER made money.

I'll add one more, ATA was a garage sale of assets in bankruptcy court not a merger.

It's like saying that SWA and Spirit are the same thing just because both provide low fares. (apples and bananas)

 

[texman]

I love that our rampers and FA's are more fired up than us. Had some come up to me today and said WTF. Funny!

 

[ron burgundy]

It was a good career choice, It was a good careeer choice...........Nope, nothing. I've been trying that for 23 years and it still doesn't work.

 

[puddlejumper101]

I love that our rampers and FA's are more fired up than us. Had some come up to me today and said WTF. Funny!

If there was a culture problem internally, this might have just fixed it.

 

[JT12345]

respect is earned not given.

Wow,

How did you get through the vetting process at SWA?

How do you treat people that don't work at Southwest?

When you go to buy a burger you must look down on those fastfood workers too because they have not earned your respect yet. What about the hotel van driver or the maid? You must look down on everyone around you outside your family and friends at home and at Southwest then?

 

[puddlejumper101]

Wow,

How did you get through the vetting process at SWA?

How do you treat people that don't work at Southwest?

When you go to buy a burger you must look down on those fastfood workers too because they have not earned your respect yet. What about the hotel van driver or the maid? You must look down on everyone around you outside your family and friends at home and at Southwest then?

not even close dude, let's don't mix apples and oranges. I am here to discuss what happened over there at Airtran. I wasn't here to talk about personal character. I don't know you, and you don't know me so don't go there. I have my views and you have yours.

Alpa has not really respected SWA or SWAPA...I never said YOU personally so don't go there.

 

[JT12345]

Watch your mouth.

You don't like threats, eh? No one here is threatening you. Only trying to point out some possibilities. Of course, much of that is moot now, since neither you nor any if your fellow trannies have any say in the matter. Which is unfortunate for those of you who wanted the deal, who realized it was better than an acquired airline should ever hope for. Better than the staple that most of your guys would have taken a year ago. Refresh yourself on your own history.

Speaking of history, Lear indicated that regret is usually a waste of time. Not true, if one uses regret to learn from one's past. Too bad your mec didn't learn anything from the regret felt by frontier and muse pilots.

It is not just AAI pilots saying there is a problem here. It is a lot of piers watching this go down in the industry.

BTW, there is still "say" here in this process for both groups. Don't just sit, and let things happen around you.

I wish you guys luck too in this. I really mean that. Sincerely.

 

[SWA/FO]

Anybody read side letter 8? :cartman:

WOW....

 

[ron burgundy]

respect is earned not given. ALPA has not really respected anything thus far. I think the respect will come, once ALPA is gone.

So the 4 guys from gulfstream that decided to change careers and become a pilot(whilst paying alot to do so) and then went and bought a type rating and now work at swa EARNED it. Okay.

 

[JT12345]

not even close dude, let's don't mix apples and oranges. I am here to discuss what happened over there at Airtran. I wasn't here to talk about personal character. I don't know you, and you don't know me so don't go there. I have my views and you have yours.

Alpa has not really respected SWA or SWAPA...I never said YOU personally so don't go there.

Well your response was to my post about mutual respect which had nothing to do with union views and ALPA.

I was talking about oranges and I still am. How this became about ALPA was your response to me dude. It was always about personal mutual respect. Thanks for clearing that up, and I would delete some of this if it was not to late for that.

Now you guys are exausting me after today and I understand you are upset this did not proceed further. I would be too.

 

[puddlejumper101]

It is not just AAI pilots saying there is a problem here. It is a lot of piers watching this go down in the industry.

BTW, there is still "say" here in this process for both groups. Don't just sit, and let things happen around you.

I wish you guys luck too in this. I really mean that. Sincerely.

This after personal attacks on your future co-worker, just because we don't agree?????

You guys have been getting Sh&$ sandwiches from your MGMT for years. We all knew that, and some of us were torn as to what would happen:

A. You guys would be releived to work for a MGMT team that has never turned on their own people. Breath of fresh air for you guys, along with better QOL reguardless of where you sit in the seniority list.

B. We trust no one, SWA is Forano and we are ALPA. No matter what we get, we can do better in Arbitration.

The problem is 1700 vs. 6000 who respect their MGMT. This might get fixed in Arbitration, but it's going to leave a scar. Case and point, you already insulted my character and don't even know me. See where this is headed?