Airtran MEC voted no

[Old School 737]

Originally Posted by bravodude
Calls are already beeing made to USAPA for some legal advice.


That right there is the funniest thing I have read in a long time!!!

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Our youngest CP is 38? Your point??

Not sure why you guys bring up the age.

As for retirements. Arbitrators use "pull and plug" method. They pull all retirements out of the list for next how ever many years they think is fair, then merge the list, then plug retirements back in where they would be next to their peers. That way when they retire the list becomes fair. Why couldn't you guys do that?
Your list put me 6% junior to guy my age hired on same day as me in 2040. Shouldn't be all retirements be gone by then, shouldn't we be next to each-other? Your list labeled me as "former Tranny" for the rest of my life, while I wanted list that would make just another SWA pilot in 30 years.

 

[madjack]

"Your list labeled me as "former Tranny" for the rest of my life, while I wanted list that would make just another SWA pilot in 30 years."

You weren't hired by SWA, you were hired by AAI, and AAI was acquired by SWA...

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

You weren't hired by SWA, you were hired by AAI, and AAI was acquired by SWA...

Not sure this is how Gary wants these groups to become. One LUV?

 

[On Your Six]

It is simple math Ty- bc we've been around for 40 years- our senior pilots were hired in the 70's- we have almost 1600 pilots hired by 1996- so if you got your wet dream of DOH those 1600 pilots hired before you existed represent 25% of Swapa pilots and over 20% of the combined 7800.
So what you really lost was 12%- and only in current terms- you're so much younger that as our pilots retire, that number gets smaller. as the smaller company, making less, screwed up mgmt- that wasn't a bad deal.
IMO. But then again, I work here and know how good I have it.

So it ideological- I think losing 4-6 years is about right- where you guys don't. Ok
But it's also mathematical- and that's where you guys have bought into a statistical lie- I don't see how you'll improve on the proposed list by much even at arby- so what you did was throw away all the protections and pay
bumps, jeopardize the whole integration, for the possibility of 3-6% more than what was offered. That's not fantastic logic.
IMO

Your team will have to argue those facts infront of the arbitrator(s), and hope it sticks. Looking at the recent awards, even financially weaker airlines, that paid less (Colgan) did fairly well in the integration with much stronger airlines. I still don't think it will be close to 1 for 1 or DOH, but it certainly won't be like the previous one, and that scares some people. Two companies with comparable business plans (LCC), flying same size planes, with one doing some International flights. Hmmmm. One is bigger than the other, and that will be reflected in a ratio probably, but the % difference probably won't be close to 38%. (not even close). I don't think GK would even want to get involved, but you never know.



OYS

 

[Fubijaakr]

Note to madjack: This is how the QUOTE button works. Try it. It will make your posts LESS confusing if not less confounding.

Here's what you don't see. They are not just stapled to the captain list. They will be stapled when everyone of SWA FO's in-front of them upgrades.

Exactly right. Additionally, even if the list went DoH there are a ton of AAI CAs looking at a LONG time on reserve.

So they will be stapled in 10 years, providing that Alaska in which case they will get re-stapled.

An Alaska/SWA merger isn't that far out of the question. And in that case the AS and combined SWA/AAI list would merge by DoH. Period, end of story.

 

[rajflyboy]

Well

I hate to say >> "I told you so"

you guys should have taken this deal and ran to the bank and cashed the checks while the money was still in the account.

Now the account may be running empty

 

[Fubijaakr]

Now the account may be running empty

AAI guys aren't scared by you're empty threats. Why don't you post "blah, blah blah" next time. Its just as effective.

And if anyone needs to be "scared" of arbitration, its SWA pilots. You're justification for hosing AAI guys out of their rightful seniority has so many holes even the Swiss wouldn't call it cheese.

 

[shootr]

An Alaska/SWA merger isn't that far out of the question. And in that case the AS and combined SWA/AAI list would merge by DoH. Period, end of story.

On that point, you may be right. This is not Alaska/SWA. Sorry if that stings some.

 

[canyonblue]

I made 30% more than 11 year captain made at 17 year old SWA (adjusted for inflation).

You obviously have incorrect information. Even adjusted for inflation, every SWA 11 year CA since 1974 makes more than you.