AirTran MEC CYA

[RobZerbe]

No one advocated our top guys next to yours. A blended list would have started around 1996. That's all water under the bridge, but let's not rewrite history.

Yes. Please don't rewrite history. Especially when you were not privy to the offers on the table.

 

[RobZerbe]

I don't think anyone was asking for anything to be handed to them, I think that all they wanted was an opportunity to make their case in front of a neutral arbitrator in a process all had previously agreed to.

The process agreement allowed and conceived arbitration. It did not guarantee it. Arbitration was never guaranteed, that is the lie propagated by those sent to secure such a guarantee.

"Until and unless".

 

[PCL_128]

That's a remarkably shallow analysis.

No, just reality for those of us on the other side of the "partition."

 

[PCL_128]

The process agreement allowed and conceived arbitration. It did not guarantee it. Arbitration was never guaranteed, that is the lie propagated by those sent to secure such a guarantee.

"Until and unless".

Yes, the process agreement did guarantee arbitration in the event that a negotiated agreement could not be reached. But we weren't afforded that, because Gary was hell-bent on making sure that a "negotiated" agreement was reached by holding a gun to our heads and ordering us to sign on the dotted line. You know, the "golden rule."

 

[slaquer5]

Yes, the process agreement did guarantee arbitration in the event that a negotiated agreement could not be reached. But we weren't afforded that, because Gary was hell-bent on making sure that a "negotiated" agreement was reached by holding a gun to our heads and ordering us to sign on the dotted line. You know, the "golden rule."

The AirTran MEC was hell bent on not negotationing in good faith . They had a full proff plan and no intentions of listening to your NC.

Why don't you tell this crowd the background of your MEC, and how some of them have such hate for SWA. They threw the AT pilots under the bus, because of there hate for SWA.



The AirTran pilots picked the NC. They had a right to vote on what the NC negotiated .

 

[PCL_128]

The AirTran MEC was hell bent on not negotationing in good faith . They had a full proff plan and no intentions of listening to your NC.

The MEC's position was always reasonable, unlike your union's position of "no harm" being defined as not one pilot on your side ever having less relative seniority the entire length of their careers as a result of the merger.

Why don't you tell this crowd the background of your MEC, and how some of them have such hate for SWA. They threw the AT pilots under the bus, because of there hate for SWA.

Seriously? Who exactly would that be? Most of the MEC members were SWA cheerleaders. Do you really think that a bunch of SWA haters would have approved of your "Round Up" events where you SWAPA execs and NC had full access to our pilot group? When a certain someone told the MEC that such an idea was crazy, every single MEC member told him that he was being too untrusting and that "SWA isn't like that, they won't try to take advantage." The truth is that our MEC was living in a fantasy world, and they didn't wake up to how they were being raped until the deal came back from Dallas.

The AirTran pilots picked the NC.

No, they didn't. The MEC picked them.

 

[jonjuan]

That's a remarkably shallow analysis.

"Perception is reality."

This is fun. Your turn.

 

[redflyer65]

The truth is that our MEC was living in a fantasy world.

This is where the ALPA dysfunction really shines. Let the MC negotiate with NO updates or input from the MEC, then act shocked when the product is produces.

It was absolutely the MEC's game plan to run the clock out, that might not have been the case until they saw the agreement. But it became the game plan quickly.

 

[PCL_128]

This is where the ALPA dysfunction really shines. Let the MC negotiate with NO updates or input from the MEC, then act shocked when the product is produces.

Not ALPA dysfunction. MEC dysfunction. No other ALPA MEC has taken so much of a hands-off approach. Our MEC did because of petty politics, and it backfired.

It was absolutely the MEC's game plan to run the clock out, that might not have been the case until they saw the agreement. But it became the game plan quickly.

You keep getting this wrong. There was no plan to run out any clock, either before or after the deal. In reality, one of the main reasons for voting the deal down at the MEC level instead of allowing the pilots to vote it down (as they almost certainly would have done) was because the MEC was concerned about not having enough time, in fact. The timeline was compressed for going to mediation and arbitration, and they didn't want to waste valuable weeks on road shows for an agreement that was going to fail. Those weeks needed to be focused on preparing for mediation and arbitration. So the idea that they were trying to kill time is not only wrong, it's also the opposite of what the MEC was doing.

 

[Ty Webb]

Yes. Please don't rewrite history. Especially when you were not privy to the offers on the table.

Do tell. . . . . .

 

[GoodTimes]

Cool avatar, Ty. Any idea which plane that is?

 

[Ty Webb]

Cool avatar, Ty. Any idea which plane that is?

Thanks!

Sikorsky S-42. I believe the Capt is Ed Musick, who was Pan Am's Chief Pilot during much of the "Pan Am Clipper" days. He was killed in an inflight explosion.

Here's another great pic of that aircraft, passing over the Golden Gate bridge, which was still being constructed:

http://www.nickgrantadventures.com/Clipper_NC_823M_S-42.jpg

 

[slaquer5]

Thanks!

Sikorsky S-42. I believe the Capt is Ed Musick, who was Pan Am's Chief Pilot during much of the "Pan Am Clipper" days. He was killed in an inflight explosion.

Here's another great pic of that aircraft, passing over the Golden Gate bridge, which was still being constructed:

http://www.nickgrantadventures.com/Clipper_NC_823M_S-42.jpg

Very cool pic Ty .

 

[GoodTimes]

Great history. Thanks for the link, Ty.

 

[Tripower455]

No one advocated our top guys next to yours. A blended list would have started around 1996.

That's exactly where the AT guys start blending into the list.