AirTran MEC CYA

[Just thinking]

"You have to see it going on around you to believe it. Actually, I went to some lengths to help a FA retrive (sic) her cell phone today. She couldn't believe I stepped in, but she would have done the same if needed. There's no other airline that compares in this regard.".........................

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.... only SWA has people who make any sort of effort.

No pilot at Airtran (or any other pilot at any other airline) has ever pushed a wheel chair, retrieved a stroller, chased down a customer who left an Ipad on board in the seat back pocket, thrown a bag with the rampers, helped an old lady with her bag or took the time to talk to the customers.


"and then in January of 2015 he attends upgrade school".....

IF there are any vacancies.... you know, all those training events that are happening right now for the upgrades kind of puts an influx of Captains in all the bases.

"yet they hire about 20% of those 25" ..............

Once again you trot out the "hallowed" few that have made the grade, but just about everyone knows a great guy who got hired at SWA, a great guy who got turned down by SWA and a complete turd who got hired by SWA. Take a moment and eat some humble pie.

 

[fletch717]

Any yet they hire about 20% of those 25 Fletch. And we didn't take anyone that was fired from other 121 carriers.

Yes because your process is retarded. Your telling me that out of 25 guys only 5 have the "right stuff" to fly a 35 year old 737 from oak to las to bwi to Bos in the right seat. You guys REALLY need to get over yourselves.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

"You have to see it going on around you to believe it. Actually, I went to some lengths to help a FA retrive (sic) her cell phone today. She couldn't believe I stepped in, but she would have done the same if needed. There's no other airline that compares in this regard.".........................

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.... only SWA has people who make any sort of effort.

No pilot at Airtran (or any other pilot at any other airline) has ever pushed a wheel chair, retrieved a stroller, chased down a customer who left an Ipad on board in the seat back pocket, thrown a bag with the rampers, helped an old lady with her bag or took the time to talk to the customers.


"and then in January of 2015 he attends upgrade school".....

IF there are any vacancies.... you know, all those training events that are happening right now for the upgrades kind of puts an influx of Captains in all the bases.

"yet they hire about 20% of those 25" ..............

Once again you trot out the "hallowed" few that have made the grade, but just about everyone knows a great guy who got hired at SWA, a great guy who got turned down by SWA and a complete turd who got hired by SWA. Take a moment and eat some humble pie.

And then there's the turd that goes the wrong way through the back door.

 

[madjack]

Former FAT senior CP, now senior SWA FO, told me he was glad he came over as an FO so he could "learn the system" before he upgraded in 2015...he was quite happy and stated there are a few malcontents in ATL who will never be happy...

 

[SWA Bubba]

And commuting to the west coast.

If this guy we're talking about is really a FAT 15-16 year CA, than he is a fair amount senior to me on the combined list, as the FAT guy right ahead of me on the list just hit 14 years since his orig AirTran hire date, and I'm barely just not able to hold Dallas CA (I can hold CA in any other base). That means that he could hold CA in any base he chooses, including Dallas. He will have even more seniority come his upgrade in early 2015. He won't be commuting anywhere; he wouldn't even have to sit CA reserve in Dallas, let alone anywhere else. He'll be a lineholding CA in any base he chooses. So spare us the "poor me, I have the worst position in life possible since SWA bought AirTran" crap, because we're not buying it. It's just more of the AirTran FI malcontent rhetoric, claiming the worst possible aspect of every situation, even when it's clearly not true.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Yes because your process is retarded. Your telling me that out of 25 guys only 5 have the "right stuff" to fly a 35 year old 737 from oak to las to bwi to Bos in the right seat. You guys REALLY need to get over yourselves.

Actually, since you guys didn't have 737 classics, you probably DON'T have the right stuff to fly a "35-year old 737." You know, that old school plane-flyin' stuff, where you gotta' do more than push buttons.

But more importantly, Southwest doesn't actually HAVE any 35-year old planes, since that age would make a 737 a -200 model, the last of which we got rid of about 10 years ago. More exaggered hyperbole for comic effect, or is YOUR personal process just retarded and you don't know better? I think it's YOU guys that really need to get over yourselves (and your whining about stuff that isn't even true).

Bubba

 

[texman]

Actually, since you guys didn't have 737 classics, you probably DON'T have the right stuff to fly a "35-year old 737." You know, that old school plane-flyin' stuff, where you gotta' do more than push buttons.

But more importantly, Southwest doesn't actually HAVE any 35-year old planes, since that age would make a 737 a -200 model, the last of which we got rid of about 10 years ago. More exaggered hyperbole for comic effect, or is YOUR personal process just retarded and you don't know better? I think it's YOU guys that really need to get over yourselves (and your whining about stuff that isn't even true).

Bubba

Now that is funny!

 

[27 driver]

If this guy we're talking about is really a FAT 15-16 year CA, than he is a fair amount senior to me on the combined list, as the FAT guy right ahead of me on the list just hit 14 years since his orig AirTran hire date, and I'm barely just not able to hold Dallas CA (I can hold CA in any other base). That means that he could hold CA in any base he chooses, including Dallas. He will have even more seniority come his upgrade in early 2015. He won't be commuting anywhere; he wouldn't even have to sit CA reserve in Dallas, let alone anywhere else. He'll be a lineholding CA in any base he chooses. So spare us the "poor me, I have the worst position in life possible since SWA bought AirTran" crap, because we're not buying it. It's just more of the AirTran FI malcontent rhetoric, claiming the worst possible aspect of every situation, even when it's clearly not true.

Bubba

Just as we are not buying the RSW FO's were harmed BS. Not all of our guys are 15 year captains. We can all pick a specific example to make our case. Figures lie and liars figure.

 

[27 driver]

Break time. My thoughts are with all those in OK. I prey for their safety. I hope those families can start the rebuilding process soon. I'm out. Peace guys. See ya in 2015.

 

[PCL_128]

Retiring #2 at Southwest without even an interview? Yeah, I'd say he made out.

You know, canyonblue, if you get something that you never wanted in the first place, it's not exactly something worth celebrating. I never applied to SWA. Never had any desire to work there. So even if I retired #1 (after many years of being at the bottom of the list, which you conveniently leave out), it wouldn't matter.

We'll see if he really is a "man of his word" and never sets foot in Dallas.

You definitely don't have to worry about that. My resignation will probably come by the end of the year. Early next year at the absolute latest. Just depends on when the schedules start to get bad.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

You know, canyonblue, if you get something that you never wanted in the first place, it's not exactly something worth celebrating. I never applied to SWA. Never had any desire to work there. So even if I retired #1 (after many years of being at the bottom of the list, which you conveniently leave out), it wouldn't matter.



You definitely don't have to worry about that. My resignation will probably come by the end of the year. Early next year at the absolute latest. Just depends on when the schedules start to get bad.

Going back to Gulf?

 

[canyonblue]

(after many years of being at the bottom of the list, which you conveniently leave out)

No, the heartburn for many SWA pilots would have been that you achieved #2 without ever being at the BOTTOM of the SWA list.

 

[canyonblue]

..to fly a 35 year old 737...

Yeah yeah, you just love the 717, we know. MTV's version of "Pimp my DC9".

 

[fletch717]

Actually, since you guys didn't have 737 classics, you probably DON'T have the right stuff to fly a "35-year old 737." You know, that old school plane-flyin' stuff, where you gotta' do more than push buttons.

But more importantly, Southwest doesn't actually HAVE any 35-year old planes, since that age would make a 737 a -200 model, the last of which we got rid of about 10 years ago. More exaggered hyperbole for comic effect, or is YOUR personal process just retarded and you don't know better? I think it's YOU guys that really need to get over yourselves (and your whining about stuff that isn't even true).

Bubba

I stand corrected, 25 year old airplanes. Yes a lot of us flew them..... 18 years ago..... Then electricity was invented.

 

[PCL_128]

No, the heartburn for many SWA pilots would have been that you achieved #2 without ever being at the BOTTOM of the SWA list.

I was stapled. That's the bottom. The only SWA pilots that went below us staple-ees are the guys hired after the merger was already announced.

 

[MCDU]

I was stapled. That's the bottom. The only SWA pilots that went below us staple-ees are the guys hired after the merger was already announced.

I do not feel sorry for you. You sound like one of those East pilots with 17 years that got placed behind a 3 mos. new hire and that you thought was fair. Boo hoo hoo Loser. At least USAIR pilots had the balls to do something about the injustice. Not like ALPA who has a great track record with Midwest pilots, ATA pilots and the TWA pilots.
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[Kermit_D_Frog]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Yeah yeah, you just love the 717, we know. MTV's version of "Pimp my DC9".

I actually do like the 71 after having flown the 9 and would happily have flown it for the next 4-9 years. I was hoping to stay on the 71 until the classics were gone and transition to a somewhat automated aircraft. I'm not afraid of the 300/500, I've flown round dials. I just prefer the safety and lower workload brought on by the best use of technology possible. Kind of like preferring a self propelled push mower (71) over one that is not (73-700), which is still better than a reel mower (73-300/500).

 

[Ty Webb]

Actually, since you guys didn't have 737 classics, you probably DON'T have the right stuff to fly a "35-year old 737." You know, that old school plane-flyin' stuff, where you gotta' do more than push buttons.

Bubba

Bubba . . . whatsa matter? You don't seem yourself today. Did you forget to bid this month?

In case anyone's forgotten, before the 717, AirTran used to operate 737-200 and DC9's. When I was a newhire, we only had a dozen 717 . . . everything else was DC9, and if you think the 737 classics were byzantine, you should catch a ride in a DC9 sometime.

I would suggest that most pilots playing at this level are not going to have an issue with hand-flying or scan . . . As someone who sat on the bench for two years, I can tell you that 90% of returning to flying involved FMC/Checklists/Changes to SOP's/Re-establishing habit patterns. Hand-flying the airplane has become so ingrained, it's like driving a car.

Seems to me like this is just one more turd offered up by those who want to find reason #29 to justify taking things from AirTran pilots and giving them to SWA pilots.

Speaking of turds . . . A friend who transitioned to SWA last year related a pretty amusing story about a rather clueless SWA FO who was telling everyone at the table how AirTran pilots couldn't possibly be ready for the left seat at SWA . . . When pressed for a reason, he stated that " . . . SWA operated in the Northeast in winter, and they have to deal with deicing and things that the AirTran pilots weren't used to". :erm:

He was SHOCKED to learn that AirTran had been operating in LGA, PHL, BOS and other places long before SWA got there.

So, I guess we could say that a few turds waltzed in the front door, too. :laugh:

 

[Tripower455]

Speaking of turds . . . A friend who transitioned to SWA last year related a pretty amusing story about a rather clueless SWA FO who was telling everyone at the table how AirTran pilots couldn't possibly be ready for the left seat at SWA . . . When pressed for a reason, he stated that " . . . SWA operated in the Northeast in winter, and they have to deal with deicing and things that the AirTran pilots weren't used to". :erm:

He was SHOCKED to learn that AirTran had been operating in LGA, PHL, BOS and other places long before SWA got there.

So, I guess we could say that a few turds waltzed in the front door, too. :laugh:

We have our 10% too. Unbelievable.