AirTran management pilots

[Kenney G]

I must have come across a couple of the malcontents the other day in PHL. AT capt and fo waiting for their hotel van, as I walked within five feet of them I said hi guys hows it going, to which both of them turned their heads in the opposite direction and looked away without a word! WTF!

How would you feel if another pilot group stole 32% of your senority off baseless fears?

 

[PCL_128]

I must have come across a couple of the malcontents the other day in PHL. AT capt and fo waiting for their hotel van, as I walked within five feet of them I said hi guys hows it going, to which both of them turned their heads in the opposite direction and looked away without a word! WTF!

That's pretty rare. I don't do the PHL stand-up too much (flight is too long for my taste), but I'm in IAD occasionally where we share the hotel van with SWA crews, and none of the guys who I fly with have been rude. We just make sure that we avoid the SLI subject.

 

[Britpilot]

So are you saying with all the hype that airtran union and all their pilots were chanting about seniority is everything, when southwest first announced the merger that the first deal was a good seniority list? And I'm asking only about seniority because isn't that what was being negotiated? Not an economic package that you would have and will receive anyways once it's all done?

No, all I'm saying is ALL the pilots should have been asked if we wanted to vote on it.

 

[jball2]

No SWA pilot "stole" your seniority KG. It's time to move on, it's over now. When you hate you lose brother.

 

[Kenney G]

No, all I'm saying is ALL the pilots should have been asked if we wanted to vote on it.

Well they voted no. Your complaining now so you personally would have voted yes? You thought it was a good seniority list? Just trying to pick up what your putting down

Here is you chance to be polled on a public forum. What say you?

 

[Kenney G]

No SWA pilot "stole" your seniority KG. It's time to move on, it's over now. When you hate you lose brother.

Absolutely correct. The Airtan pilots voted it away.
Btw no one is hating. Im not. Just letting you know some are upset. Can you blame them?

 

[ASADFW7]

There are still a lot of emotions that are left sort out over this whole deal, please no creative swearing, or hygene comments, as well as personal insults directed towards other members. Thank you.

 

[Ty Webb]

I was at the meeting with Ty and -9Capt and each of us will tell you there was strong opposition against the first agreement.

Ha-ha! Nice try. I wasn't at that meeting. Thanks for playing, though. :laugh:

 

[Britpilot]

Well they voted no. Your complaining now so you personally would have voted yes? You thought it was a good seniority list? Just trying to pick up what your putting down

Here is you chance to be polled on a public forum. What say you?

Where did I say I was complaining?
Frankly I don't know which way I would have voted, just would have liked to have had a vote instead of it being shot down by people with personal agendas.
Clear enough?

 

[Kenney G]

Where did I say I was complaining?
Frankly I don't know which way I would have voted, just would have liked to have had a vote instead of it being shot down by people with personal agendas.
Clear enough?

Actually No its not clear. First off you have not answered if you would have voted yes on the first senority list. Im sure you know what the list was and if you don't it was worse than what was voted in. Now your saying it was voted down by people with personal agendas? That is a bold statement. Since you know so much please share with the rest of us what was their personal agenda? All 7 had an agenda? Or is it possible that they thought it was a bad senority list ?

 

[Crash Pad]

There were 200 and some odd pilots at that meeting. With only 1,700 total pilots, and only about 700 off on any given day, that's an incredible sample size. There can't be any real doubt that at that time, the overall pilot group was opposed to AIP1. Their minds only changed after the letter from GK the following week.

200! Wow that is over ten percent. So if there is no doubt that the pilot group would kill it... Why not send it out?

Do you even know when you are full of poop anymore? Or do you really believe the poop you say?

 

[Crash Pad]

Actually No its not clear. First off you have not answered if you would have voted yes on the first senority list. Im sure you know what the list was and if you don't it was worse than what was voted in. Now your saying it was voted down by people with personal agendas? That is a bold statement. Since you know so much please share with the rest of us what was their personal agenda? All 7 had an agenda? Or is it possible that they thought it was a bad senority list ?

It was the same list as the one we got. Sorry we moved up a hundred numbers on an 8000 pilot list. So yes 86 percent of us liked the list, Atlanta base, sixty percent pay raise, and captain seats... Because we took a lot less.

 

[Britpilot]

Actually No its not clear. First off you have not answered if you would have voted yes on the first senority list.

I did answer that question, look again.

Im sure you know what the list was and if you don't it was worse than what was voted in.

Marginal gain in seniority on list # 2. Loss of pay, loss of all 737 Captain seats. Yeah, great deal.

Now your saying it was voted down by people with personal agendas? That is a bold statement. Since you know so much please share with the rest of us what was their personal agenda? All 7 had an agenda?

Ask around, ask why there were re-calls. If you work here then I find it hard to believe you don't know the answer to this.

 

[Britpilot]

Do you even know when you are full of poop anymore? Or do you really believe the poop you say?

I agree with you. The more he speaks the more the poop flows.

 

[slaquer5]

We are one team now.

 

[Britpilot]

We are one team now.

Nearly, but not quite yet.

 

[Spud]

We are one team now.

No, we're the 'B' team.

Like I said before, I have no hard feelings towards my SWAPA brothers, all that I know and have met have been great. However, I fly with a lot of senior FO's and they are absolutely livid at the outcome. Can't say I blame them.

The threat, the seniority loss, and the B scale. All while having expectations of leaving a openly hostile labor/management relationship.

Big disappointment.

 

[PCL_128]

So yes 86 percent of us liked the list, Atlanta base, sixty percent pay raise, and captain seats... Because we took a lot less.

No, 86 percent didn't "like" it. They simply preferred it to unemployment, which was the implied threat. One of our Merger Committee members famously said "vote yes if you want a job at Southwest, vote no if you don't." Not exactly a real choice, if you believe his premise.

 

[Kenney G]

Ask around, ask why there were re-calls. If you work here then I find it hard to believe you don't know the answer to this.[/QUOTE]


I really don't know so would you please share what their motives were and what they hoped to accomplish by voting no other than it was a bad senority list.

 

[Crash Pad]

We are one team now.

In 2015 we are a team. Right now I'm just furlough bait on a B-scale.

Iran gets fired up and I'm out of a job same as you... Oh wait except for the second part.

In three years I'll buy ya a beer. The only good news is that if you take a pay cut in the next round... We will never know what it was like to make good money. Way less of a blow.