AirTran Learning From History

[flx757]

Wow, three pages and only a couple of posts about the actual subject. Just one guy and his alter egos polluting the thread.

This is exactly why I have pretty much left Flightinfo for greener pastures.

 

[Lame Lizard]

Wow, three pages and only a couple of posts about the actual subject. Just one guy and his alter egos polluting the thread.

This is exactly why I have pretty much left Flightinfo for greener pastures.

If you have left, why are you still posting? BYE .

 

[j41driver]

I had no idea the pay was this low.

That's the average pay. Remember, we've got a ton of guys on 1st and 2nd year FO pay. That brings the average down quite a bit.

 

[flx757]

If you have left, why are you still posting? BYE .

I said "pretty much left". I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit either, eh Chuckie?

By the way, those "greener pastures" I have "pretty much" left for are green because they purposely keep out dead weight such as yourself.

Have a nice life Chuck/Lawman/Boris/Lame Lizard/Limp D1ck/, etc....:laugh:

 

[Lame Lizard]

I said "pretty much left". I guess reading comprehension is not your strong suit either, eh Chuckie?

By the way, those "greener pastures" I have "pretty much" left for are green because they purposely keep out dead weight such as yourself.

Have a nice life Chuck/Lawman/Boris/Lame Lizard/Limp D1ck/, etc....:laugh:

Again, BYE. Leave already. Geesh.

 

[flx757]

At least when I leave, I'll be able to return on my own...if I want, when I want...without having to register yet another username.

YOU, on the other hand, will be kicked to the curb. Again.:laugh:

Also, unlike you, I can go somewhere where there are methods in place to keep out posers such as yourself.

So, BYE.

 

[-9Capt]

I had no idea the pay was this low. So much with Ty Webb making a 150 grand. Now, tell me again why this is such a great airline. I am confused.

First of all, we are a VERY junior pilot group, a vast majority was hired after 9/11.

2nd of all, those numbers were provided by the union, of course they'll be low.

3rd, according to company propaganda, we have dozens of pilots making over 300K. What they don't tell you is they are management pilots with seniority numbers or in the training dept.

150K is about right for a mid-seniority line capt. Ambitious ones make upward of 200K and guys happy with guarantee make 120K. I'm confident that number will go up when they settle this thing.

 

[atldc9]

Little man's, I mean -9 capt, numbers are pretty accurate. 150k for a 5-7 year Capt running a 15 day off a month schedule seems to be the norm. The work-a-holics are running closer to 200k by getting drat pay, picking up trips that create conflicts, which are then paid, etc.


-9 Capt- How is the fishing? I saw they caught a 1200 lb hammerhead down your way.

 

[-9Capt]

-9 Capt- How is the fishing? I saw they caught a 1200 lb hammerhead down your way.

Fishing's always good my brother. I've been out the last 3 days in a row so I took today off. I'll be out again tomorrow.

The 'ole lady and I just got back from 9 days in Belize, you want to talk about fishin...oh baby!!

 

[Uppercrust]

Thanks. It's what I picture Ty Webb to look like when he is posting as Best Pilot.

Really?? That is what I picture Ty's dog's expression during one of their obedience sessions. Poor dog probably can't sit down after one of those sessions.

 

[Ty Webb]

Sorry, Crusty, the only one here with an "animal act" is you, with your trained rodents, you pillow-biting, hamster-hiding Nancy-boy.

 

[Mooseflyer]

150k for a 5-7 year Capt running a 15 day off a month schedule seems to be the norm. The work-a-holics are running closer to 200k by getting drat pay, picking up trips that create conflicts, which are then paid, etc.

Is there really that much soft time available? 7 yr capt pay 127/hr x 85 hrs/mo x 12 mo/yr = $129,540.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Is there really that much soft time available? 7 yr capt pay 127/hr x 85 hrs/mo x 12 mo/yr = $129,540.

Rule of thumb for me seems to be 85/15 hard to soft time and that is as a commuter who has fewer opportunities to work the system. If you add 15 percent to the numbers you ran, it comes out to right at 150K.

Not nearly enough to suit big money guys like Chuckie or Crusty, but I'll take it!

 

[-9Capt]

Is there really that much soft time available? .

Yes, especialy when you get a few numbers below you and can work the system.

I keep copies of crewtime reports in my desk.

Jan '06: actual 35, credit 73 (recurrent training)
Feb '06: actual 86, credit 97
Mar '06: actual 78, credit 92
Apr '06: actual 63, credit 87 (1 week vacation)
May '06: actual 56, credit 88 (1 week vacation)
June '06: actual 80, credit 87*

*June numbers are a projection, haven't flown this month yet.

 

[Ty Webb]

You call that slackin'?

In 2005, I flew less than 600 hours and got paid for close to 1000. . . .

Now, that's slackin', Baby!:beer:

 

[PCL_128]

How do the stand-up (CDO) lines work with pay? Is it straight guarantee or some sort of override?

 

[XRMEFLYER]

How do the stand-up (CDO) lines work with pay? Is it straight guarantee or some sort of override?

Guarantee (70 hrs.)

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Stand up lines...now those are safe operations

 

[j41driver]

Stand up lines...now those are safe operations

...and AirTran is the only airline to use them.

 

[newnan]

65 hrs flight, 92 hours credit so far. No training, no vacation, and only 1.5 hrs extension from an involuntary schedule change. You got to love it when scheduling screws up!!!!
BTW guppypuppy, people who live in glass houses shouldn't being throwing stones about operations that don't sound safe.

 

[Lear70]

How do the stand-up (CDO) lines work with pay? Is it straight guarantee or some sort of override?

WHASSUP??!!

The only good thing about the CDO lines over here is that most of them are built with 14-16 days off, not the 5 on 3 off B.S. you see at PCL. Many of the CDO's are only 4 or 5 hours on the ground but they HAVE to give you AT LEAST 3 days off after a CDO or set of CDO's, so they can't build those 2 day off in between trips B.S. that you see over there. Additionally, they build the whole month that way so you can stay on a night rhythm if you really want to, unlike PCL where they mix the lines to get their 85 hours out of you.

Additionally, I've chatted with some of our guys from PCL who have been over here long enough to get off reserve and they tell me that half of the CDO lines go VERY senior to people who live in ATL and want to be home every day, don't care about making more than guarantee, and they're able to hold regular hard lines a lot sooner than you'd imagine.

You also can't trade out of your CDO's for regular trips. Saw that today in the contract and was really bummed,,, You know me, I hate high speeds.

They're right about the medical insurance, it sucks, but my wife works in a hospital so we have pretty good insurance through her so I just opted out of the medical stuff and maxed out the life insurance for everyone.

This place is great! It has its share of problems but overall, I'm happy and PCL will tell you I'm one tough bast*rd to please. If you don't like it, that's OK too, just don't come work here. Otherwise, come on in, the water's fine.

 

[flx757]

half of the CDO lines go VERY senior to people who live in ATL and want to be home every day, don't care about making more than guarantee, and they're able to hold regular hard lines a lot sooner than you'd imagine.

When I was at AirTran, I was one of those who bid CDOs exclusively, even when I could hold a regular line. I was senior enough to bid the good ones....MYR, JAX, etc....where I would check in around 2030, fly 45 mins to the desitnation, have over 7 hours on the ground, then fly the 45 mins back and be home at my house by 0900. I was home every day and only did them 3 days a week. And I never heard a peep from scheduling because they couldn't jack with a CDO line....no add-on turns, no reassignments, no nothing.

Now...YuppyGuppy...tell me about safe? I flew around 28 hours block and got paid for 70. I was home every day and had over 7 hours on the ground between flights. 3 days a week. It sure as sh!t beats 5-7 legs during a 14+ hour duty day. Every time.

 

[RadioClash]

...and AirTran is the only airline to use them.

Maybe the only major doing them, I do recall doing my fair share of them when I was at ASA.

 

[Steeler Fan]

Maybe the only major doing them, I do recall doing my fair share of them when I was at ASA.

I used to do CDOs at US Airways alot.

 

[atldc9]

Is there really that much soft time available? 7 yr capt pay 127/hr x 85 hrs/mo x 12 mo/yr = $129,540.

Last year, I flew just over 800 hours, and was paid for 1150. That includes vacation and sick time used. Soft pay rocks.

 

[PCL_128]

they tell me that half of the CDO lines go VERY senior to people who live in ATL and want to be home every day, don't care about making more than guarantee, and they're able to hold regular hard lines a lot sooner than you'd imagine.

Exactly what I was thinking. I live in Newnan just 20 minutes from the airport. Leaving for work at 8pm and being home by 9am the next day sounds great to me.

 

[Lear70]

You'll have to leave a little earlier than 8 to make an 8:30 check-in (the employee parking arrangement is a lot like DTW, plan 30 minutes from parking to ops), but otherwise, yeah...

If I lived in domicile, that would be fine, but if I'm going to be gone 4 days anyway, I might as well get paid better money for it and not have to have a crashpad.

Different strokes and all...

p.s. I think J41 was being facetious about them being dangerous and only done at airTran, note the rolleyes at the end.

 

[j41driver]

p.s. I think J41 was being facetious about them being dangerous and only done at airTran, note the rolleyes at the end.

You got it. I'm not sure how CDO's are any less safe than any other flying on the back side of the clock. (ie. red eyes, tons of cargo flying, etc)

 

[flx757]

Whoops....I guess I already posted my thoughts on this subject above....

Sorry...:blush:

 

[Mooseflyer]

Last year, I flew just over 800 hours, and was paid for 1150. That includes vacation and sick time used. Soft pay rocks.

Not bad! That's over 25 soft hours per month - seems like a lot even considering vacation and sick.