Airtran dropping 121 mins

[greygoose]

I had heard from a inside person, that Airtran is going to be dropping the 500 hours of part 121.

 

[rk772]

That would be nice. I've got plenty of turbine PIC but its all 135.

 

[Heavy Set]

I had heard from a inside person, that Airtran is going to be dropping the 500 hours of part 121.

No surprise. There are a lot of good fractional and 91/135 guys out there getting picked off by SWA, UPS and Jet Blue.

 

[AV80R]

I heard the same rumor recently and I really wish it was true as I have many friends on the 91/135 side of business. A couple of days ago however I talked to the recruiting folks and was told the rumor is totally false. No such plans for now but who knows what the future holds.

 

[100LL... Again!]

About time. Stupid requirement.

Some PFT jacka$$ from GIA could apply, but not a real pilot from say, USAir (furloughed) if they had no 121 PIC.

Another stupid requirement that needs adjustment is the 1000 turbine PIC for SWA. Since when is 1000 PIC in a Caravan better than someone with much more time at a regional, or lots of piston twin time.

I defy anyone to give an example of where a Caravan pilot is somehow more qualified than a higher-time piston TWIN-ENGINE pilot. Especially if the twin is pressurized. Either disallow SEL turbine, or get rid of the requirement. WAY too arbitrary.

 

[DonVerita]

I had heard from a inside person, that Airtran is going to be dropping the 500 hours of part 121.

IF this is true, hopefully jetBlue will do the same.

 

[furlough-boy]

IF this is true, hopefully jetBlue will do the same.

JetBlue doesn't have a 121 PIC requirement

 

[Koslen]

JetBlue doesn't have a 121 PIC requirement

Nope they have to have PIC in a jet more than 20000 pounds gtow. I guess my 3000 hours of lear PIC isn't good enough for them. Well I'm getting typed in a 747 classic in september maybe that will be enough to get a thanks but no thanks letter.

 

[FN FAL]

JetBlue doesn't have a 121 PIC requirement

Yes they do...otherwise they would have two SIC's flying the aircraft.

 

[furlough-boy]

Nope they have to have PIC in a jet more than 20000 pounds gtow. I guess my 3000 hours of lear PIC isn't good enough for them. Well I'm getting typed in a 747 classic in september maybe that will be enough to get a thanks but no thanks letter.

You should re-read their requirements.

www.jetblue.com

 

[Rattler71]

IF this is true, hopefully jetBlue will do the same.

Love that Avatar!

 

[ultrarunner]

Nope they have to have PIC in a jet more than 20000 pounds gtow. I guess my 3000 hours of lear PIC isn't good enough for them. Well I'm getting typed in a 747 classic in september maybe that will be enough to get a thanks but no thanks letter.

Read the fourth bullet again dude. But go ahead and get that type, and pound your chest at the interview!

II. Minimum Qualifications:

• 1500 hours total time in airplanes (excluded: Helicopter, Simulator, Flight Engineer time)
• 1000 hours turbine in airplanes
• 1000 hours Pilot in Command Time*
• 1000 hours in airplanes at or above 20,000 pounds (maximum takeoff weight) or 1000 hours in large turbojet airplanes (12,500 lbs or above)

 

[ultrarunner]

I had heard from a inside person, that Airtran is going to be dropping the 500 hours of part 121.

It's still on their website

 

[capt. megadeth]

I think every airline should require 5000 PIC Turbine minimum unless you are a chick, then you should only need 500 hours total time.
















LOL......just kidding.

 

[Koslen]

Thanks for the heads up! I should know better than to believe what I here on the road. I just finished filling out my app. Last time I tried O couldn't get the internet application to work out. I heard others had problems also. This time it work perfectly. Thanks Again!

You should re-read their requirements.

www.jetblue.com

 

[Jetjockey]

Or at least 2 years lead guitar in a 80's glam-rock megasuperband.

 

[PurpleTail]

I think every airline should require 5000 PIC Turbine minimum unless you are a chick, then you should only need 500 hours total time.

You should have no problem getting on with UNITED then

 

[flyaway]

Valuejet Has Mins!!! What A Bunch Of crap!

 

[capt. megadeth]

You should have no problem getting on with UNITED then

Like, Oh ma God, like are they hiring? Like, how do I apply?

 

[-9Capt]

I don't think it's going away, no one is talking about it online.

 

[Fracster]

So has there been a definative answer given by those in the know at airTran?

 

[AV80R]

According to Ms. G in HR dept. - There are currently no plans on dropping the 121 mins. (I asked her this question last week)

 

[CRAWDADDY]

About time. Stupid requirement.

Some PFT jacka$$ from GIA could apply, but not a real pilot from say, USAir (furloughed) if they had no 121 PIC.

Another stupid requirement that needs adjustment is the 1000 turbine PIC for SWA. Since when is 1000 PIC in a Caravan better than someone with much more time at a regional, or lots of piston twin time.

I defy anyone to give an example of where a Caravan pilot is somehow more qualified than a higher-time piston TWIN-ENGINE pilot. Especially if the twin is pressurized. Either disallow SEL turbine, or get rid of the requirement. WAY too arbitrary.

Excellent observations my friend. Here at the Fractionals, you get assigned as F/O if the other pilot is more senior. Doesn't say anything about your abilities. Unfortunately, employers make the rules, not applicants.

GIA? Is that that operator down in Florida? I rode on them on my vacation to Nassau once. The F/O didn't speak very good English and the Captain wasn't much better. Never again, after seeing all those inop stickers! Heard they had Chinese pilots and that the Captains were mostly CFIs who paid for their jobs. And, at one time even the permanent American F/Os weren't paid! WTF? But they sent a lot of pilots to AirTran including a guy with a 609 who taxiied in with pax and a pretty big fire! Everybody called him Cuckoo at AirTran according to Bob Johnston.
Fortunately, my company usually doesn't put us on them. Probably too expensive.

 

[sf3boy]

You should have no problem getting on with UNITED then

Continental hired one of our FO's with no PIC time. No experience necessary.

 

[DonVerita]

Valuejet Has Mins!!! What A Bunch Of shoot!

In case you haven't heard, ValueJet is long gone. This company is AirTran Airways with the youngest All-Boeing fleet in the country. Or is it the world?

Make sure you get the spelling right on your application. On second thought, don't even apply as you probably wouldn't know what to do with 16/17 day off lines averaging 85 hours with trip rigs, duty rigs, union contract, brand new aircraft and plenty of good natured pilots to fly with. The small handful of old Valuejet scabs that you probably have for neighbors are a dwindling insignificant minority now that the airline has a total of 1200 pilots. They'll be history before you can say, "Bob's your uncle".

 

[DonVerita]

GIA? Is that that operator down in Florida? I rode on them on my vacation to Nassau once. The F/O didn't speak very good English and the Captain wasn't much better. Never again, after seeing all those inop stickers! Heard they had Chinese pilots and that the Captains were mostly CFIs who paid for their jobs. And, at one time even the permanent American F/Os weren't paid! WTF? But they sent a lot of pilots to AirTran including a guy with a 609 who taxiied in with pax and a pretty big fire! Everybody called him Cuckoo at AirTran according to Bob Johnston.

A lot of Gulfstream International guys went to various carriers including Southwest, JetBlue, AirTran, United, Continental, US Airways, Northwest, and Spirit.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

100LL..

I think the 1000 PIC Turbine is there for mil. pilots. If you fly an F-16, it's single engine. Also, they're a bunch of Navy/CG/Marine (and soon AF) pilots who are instructors flying the SE Tprop Trainer (previously the T-34 and now the T-6 Texan II). They're some very good pilots with a bunch of IP/PIC SE Turboprop time who wouldn't make it to FedEx if they changed it to 1000 PIC multi.

I sometimes get frustrated with the vagaries of the different airline's requrements, but then I remember it's their airline, and they make the rules. If I want to make the rules, I'm free to start my own airline.

Good luck to YOU!

Cliff
HKS

PS-I just checked the JetBlue website, and I don't think I meet the criteria, but I'm not sure. They say 1000 PIC, which I have, but I think they really mean 1000 PIC fixed-wing, which I don't have. Can anyone clarify that for me? Thanx!!!

 

[100LL... Again!]

Okay, that's fine. Make it 1000 PIC SE Jet or ME prop.

To deny experienced pilots with no turbine PIC with lots of jet FO in favor of a low-time cargo dog with a handful of caravan hours is indefensible.

 

[ultrarunner]

To deny experienced pilots with no turbine PIC with lots of jet FO in favor of a low-time cargo dog with a handful of caravan hours is indefensible.

The folks writing the policies will never be in a position in having to defend themselves.

It's all about playing the game.

 

[-9Capt]

To deny experienced pilots with no turbine PIC with lots of jet FO in favor of a low-time cargo dog with a handful of caravan hours is indefensible.

I got news for you. Low time caravan pilots aren't getting hired at AirTran either.