AirTran DRC - judgement !

[Dan Roman]

Correct Sir..it was lost on me.
I browse, jump to quickly,get bitter and..post. I should know better by now!

No worries....Whenever I fly with someone who is new I always include in my brief... Any mistake you make I've made the same one or worse, so don't stress over it"....:beer:

 

[outerlimits]

SWA=pft regional

Golden shower

Are u saying u would not work for SWA?

 

[JT12345]

Your right, there are plenty of RJ guys who could be hired at majors who stay at their regional for personal reasons, MOST don't, and most AAI (and all RSW) view SWA as a career step up...because it is...

The question of "is" is questionable at the moment. Time will tell. They are not the most profitable company compared to others. If it is merger pains I can understand that, but when a company with 1/12th the size in airplanes makes 25% more in profit than ours that is worrisome. Everyone is doing well. SWA is not the best well at the moment. As for growth opportunity not so good in the "is" department.

 

[madjack]

We will see

 

[bendover]

What a DooshBag! Inaccurate Data!

Raw numbers here for you...

12yr SW/FO 132TFP x 95trips = 12,540/month
12yr AAI/CA 152/hr x 83 hr = 12,616/ month

I didn't assume any extra flying for SW FO. If I had factored that in, it would have been a runaway on the SW side. Either the SW payrates are that good, or yours sucked. Or both. The FO to FO pay difference is staggering....but for some reason you don't want to talk about that do you.

I imagine ALPA is trying to cherry pick a few examples to try and save face. Which after the DRC ruling isn't going over too well for most Airtran pilots. That can't wait to run from ALPA.
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"..E170s or CR9s, but I guess some service is better than none"- OYS on more RJ service at DL.


Maybe you might want to use actual payrates? as of dec.1/2013 a 12 year AirTran Captain makes $182.68 an hr not 152/hr? Try having your facts straight and stop living in your swa fantasy land! Also no one works 83 credit hour months. more like 90 hours of credit of pay . so 90 X 182 equals 16380 vs 12540 at swa for a total of 3840 more at AirTran times 12 months equals 46080 difference in pay dooshbag!

 

[redflyer65]

What a DooshBag! Inaccurate Data!

Raw numbers here for you...

12yr SW/FO 132TFP x 95trips = 12,540/month
12yr AAI/CA 152/hr x 83 hr = 12,616/ month

I didn't assume any extra flying for SW FO. If I had factored that in, it would have been a runaway on the SW side. Either the SW payrates are that good, or yours sucked. Or both. The FO to FO pay difference is staggering....but for some reason you don't want to talk about that do you.

I imagine ALPA is trying to cherry pick a few examples to try and save face. Which after the DRC ruling isn't going over too well for most Airtran pilots. That can't wait to run from ALPA.
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"..E170s or CR9s, but I guess some service is better than none"- OYS on more RJ service at DL.


Maybe you might want to use actual payrates? as of dec.1/2013 a 12 year AirTran Captain makes $182.68 an hr not 152/hr? Try having your facts straight and stop living in your swa fantasy land! Also no one works 83 credit hour months. more like 90 hours of credit of pay . so 90 X 182 equals 16380 vs 12540 at swa for a total of 3840 more at AirTran times 12 months equals 46080 difference in pay dooshbag!

Dooshbag? Really? Answer this Einstein.....what were Airtran Captains getting paid when SW bought you?

 

[SWA/FO]

Hey bendover,

If we use your numbers it appears to be $76 dollars a month difference. Hardly the paycut people have been crying about. About 912.00 less per year. Stop crying bitches.

 

[fuzzy077]

12 yr ca pay is about 167$ an hour

 

[Just thinking]

Ok ****************************** bags and ****************************** bag wannabees.................
I have to credit 120 trips to replace what I earned at airtran. Caveat to the previous statement ...... I get about two extra days off a month on the swa side. No pay for the twice a year on line exams. Five hours for the on line course. No. Chance of business class when deadheading.... heck, you are not even allowed to sit in the exit row...they are saving those seats for the business class folks who pay extra..... best you can hope for is for skinny folk to sit next to you. Seat pitch is atrocious.... better leg room in a crj 200. Pilots are procedurally correct...........have not experienced the video spoof individual with checklist. Enjoyed all of the folks I have flown with. Ops agents are nothing to write home about. No sense of urgency what so ever. Training center will get crazy next yeat and they are planning on on not getting. All of the 717 guys trained and will be getting paid vacation at swa rates..........

 

[Ty Webb]

I'm bidding in the middle of the AAI CA list. When I transition, I'll be going from $178./hr. to $132./tfp.

So, some will lose less than me, and some will lose more than me, but in my case, it's about a $2,200. per month difference, using the numbers provided by Bentover.

Btw, if you want to use our Contract 2001 numbers, well, you're just an @sshole, and the discussion is over.

 

[atldc9]

So to put actual numbers to this, and I know this is unbelievably classless to discuss in public, but since no one can agree on a number, I'll step into the filth and show my numbers.

For the past 2 years I did 195K (2011) and 187k (2012) as a middle seniority, commuting 717 CA, lineholder. In 2011, I averaged 14.1 days of work per month and no nights stuck in hotels ... perfectly commutable. In 2012, 14.4 days per month, and 4 hotels. 2012 was less efficient. More days worked for less pay.

In 2013, it looks like 190k, working just under 16 days per month as SWA FO, living in base.

All these are pay numbers, not including extras like retirement, etc.

Bottom line, pretty much a wash money wise, but I have to work a slight bit more. Your mileage may vary....

 

[FlyinGuy]

Multiply TFP by 1.33 and you will get your hourly rate. TY yours is about 175. Not quite a 30k pay cut. Just tryin to keep it real.

Btw...why are there only dudes at the bar tonight? That's not right!!

 

[redflyer65]

Btw, if you want to use our Contract 2001 numbers, well, you're just an @sshole, and the discussion is over.

For using the numbers you were getting paid the day that SW purchased you? Those are the facts Ty, I don't care when or where they came from. That's what your paystub said.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

For using the numbers you were getting paid the day that SW purchased you? Those are the facts Ty, I don't care when or where they came from. That's what your paystub said.

I get it Red. I'll be going back to what I made in 2010 and stagnate there for the next 4 to 5 years. That makes it so much better.

Call it whatever you want, but my w2 will be at least 30 grand lighter my first full year at WN (and the years after until reupgrade) than my last full year at the Tranny. That's what my pay stub will say and that's a fact.

 

[bluesideup1]

Lets also not forget that every F.O. is getting a huge pay raise coming to SWA and that your career earnings are going to be a lot larger at SWA than at airtran. With over 50% or around 850 pilots of airtran getting an immediate raise crossing over and after Jan 1 2015 at least another 460 (as of right now that can upgrade and will probably closer to 600 AT pilots when the 1st hits) getting another raise since SWA bought them. It is almost hard to fathom the amount of whining that is going on. How many raises has airtran got since you were bought? how many more people are making a lot more since you were bought? The average airtran pilot will retire making a million dollars more than if they stayed at AT and you wonder why Southwest pilots don't feel to badly for you about this merger and yet you continue to cry about pay even though you will be paid a lot more over time by coming here. You know how many pay increases most Southwest pilots got since we bought airtran...0.